2/5 can you fold AA on river??
Hi guys,
Want some feedback or input about river I. Game decided combos with no diamond I call but combos with a diamond I fold.
2/5 2k effective
Villain open in +1 15
Hero 3 bet black AA to 45
Villain 4 bet 135
Hero call
Flop K❤️9♦️4♦️277$
Villain b50 140
Hero call
Turn 3♦️557$
Villain b70 400
Hero call
River Q❤️1357$
Villain b80 jam 1078
Thanks
10 Replies
Welcome to the forum. We strongly discourage people from putting in the results of a hand for 24 hours to prevent people from being biased in their responses. I've removed yours.
The key to this hand is pf. Nobody in low stakes is 4bet folding to a 5bet. Just get your stack in. As played, what do you think the villain's 4 bet range is? Of that, what is stacking off that you beat?
i dont get the slowplay preflop, you guys are 400bbs deep, you want spr to be as small as possible with AA. As played you're in no man's land , I would lean towards fold, hard to see him overplay AK for value and hard to see him have bluffs. Next time just 5bet pre
Ask the question this way, why didn't you 5! here? To get value later from everything that 4!/f's pre, like QQ-, AQ+, right? Or whatever their 4!/f range is. Even though you're 400bb deep, so 5! isn't automatically AA, and therefore 5!/c is perfectly viable.
So, when you call IP and flop Kx94dd, H is only worried about KK, maybe 99, and concerned about AdQd+. Maybe KdQd. What did you perceive their 4! to be? Me, I don't play this deep, but AP, I want to r/f the flop to 450-500, then be done with the hand. Not doing this with the Ad. All H has is a great pair and no redraw.
Any action depends on your assessment of their range, including what you think V does with their 4!'ing underpairs. I don't think V goes b50/70/80 with them.
Q river now has KQs and QQ beating you. I have AA being a 2-1 dog if the 88,TT-JJ are removed, so I would fold at least river, and given the sizing, probably turn. Also 5!/calling pre.
Welcome to the forum. We strongly discourage people from putting in the results of a hand for 24 hours to prevent people from being biased in their responses. I've removed yours.The key to this hand is pf. Nobody in low stakes is 4bet folding to a 5bet. Just get your stack in. As played, what do you think the villain's 4 bet range is? Of that, what is stacking off that yo
Respectfully, I think this is nonsense. They're 400 bb deep and this is a 4bet to less than 7 percent of effective stacks. I see no reason to assume he'll gladly put 2k in the middle pre-flop. So I think he can and probably will fold a lot to a 5bet, but that doesn’t mean I don’t want to raise here.
i cant think of a single hand that you beat on the river except a bluff. seems like an easy fold with the Ad or not. your range should be uncapped when you call flop + turn and hes still firing into you huge.
also i have no idea if you are in position or OOP?
if OOP id rather just min 5 bet and keep the lead. dont go all in though, only KK will call you and even that's a maybe.
in position i can see just calling the 4b if your 5b range consists of only AA and KK.
Just rip it in pre and let your fate be decided by fold equity and run bad if that’s what your fate is gonna be. Don’t trap and give him outs. Aren’t you happy if you win 135 uncontested? The only reason to call here is slow play to get the rest of his stack but if he sees a flop, checks range and folds to your continuation all you did was give him outs and accomplish nothing.
At low limits people aren’t folding their kings and queens for the most part and you’re so far ahead of AK you want to force that player to put as much money in before they see a flop. In this scenario all you did was give villain a chance to outdraw you and now you have to make gross river decisions.
As played I think this is a fold unless you have a read on villain that he’s a loose cannon. River bets like this are rarely bluffs at lower limits unless, again, you make an exploitative call based on prior action.
Easy fold. Turn brings the flush, and villains at 2/5 just don’t triple with air in 4-bet pots. You block bluffs (Ad), and everything that bets river beats you
Aggression Wins
Whenever I see a line like this, I always think that if we are the one ripping a great hand (either pre-flop or on the flop) we likely win.
Aggression Wins
But when we play passively and let villain dictate, we always end up in a tough spot. Yes, I can fold aces on the river, but it’s best to avoid being in that position. You have the best hand possible & a villain that wants to mix it up with you, get the money in & give him the tough decision.
Aggression Wins
Until you understand that you became a calling station with AA, I wouldn’t worry about combos & blockers. You let the flush draw get there. Likely hands QQ & KK in a 4Bet (should have been 5bet) pot both improved.
Aggression Wins
Sometimes you create your own bad beats
Hi guys,
Want some feedback or input about river I. Game decided combos with no diamond I call but combos with a diamond I fold.
2/5 2k effective
Villain open in +1 15
Hero 3 bet black AA to 45
Villain 4 bet 135
Hero call
Flop K[emoji3590]9[emoji3532]4[emoji3532]277$
Villain b50 140
Hero call
Turn 3[emoji3532]557$
Villain b70 400
Hero call
River Q[emoji3590]1357$
Villain b80 jam 1078
Thanks
Gross.
Think we can 5B pre, to maybe $300.
If we have the betting lead getting to the flop, we can c-bet small. As played, I think I want to raise-fold flop.
Turn is yuck. I think I still call, though, when we gave up the betting lead pre and V has the range advantage.
River, yeesh. I think I just rage-fold. We really only beat AdKx, which is just three combos. We lose to all the KK, QQ, and AXdd in his range, and maybe occasionally we chop with AA.
This is such a soul crushing game sometimes.
Gross.Think we can 5B pre, to maybe $300. If we have the betting lead getting to the flop, we can c-bet small. As played, I think I want to raise-fold flop.Turn is yuck. I think I still call, though, when we gave up the betting lead pre and V has the range advantage.River, yeesh. I think I just rage-fold. We really only beat AdKx, which is just three combos. We lose to all the
Right. What are we actually beating? Our hand is essentially a bluff catcher at this point and we’d have to put V on a 3bb to even consider being ahead here. Fold. If we’re gonna spend that money somewhere, spend it somewhere else with higher EV. Sure, V will be bluffing here at some frequency and may only have AK sometimes, but, if it’s a VB what is he betting like this with? Probably something that beats a single pair is my guess with such a coordinated board. And like you said, we lose to KK and QQ here now too along with the flush and any other random junk we let into the hand with our trapping pf