Nut Nut's Attempt At A Book About Politics & Society

Just a little math .... 0.0034 / 0.058 = 5.9%

So .... if 94.1% of the variation in Earth eccentricity is due to variations in gravitational forces from other objects in the solar system ..... I'm comfortable with that being the primary reason for departure from circularity.

People whose personalities compel themselves to try and bring others down instead of trying to lift people up will always find a way to do that. I'm not responsible for your personalities.

I'm here trying to explain how we can expect the world to evolve in the intermediate future as a manifestation of a desire to protect innocents. I'm not proud of that nor am I ashamed of that. It's basically how I'm programmed and I had no control over or input into my programming.

Some people are programmed around ego. Someone else stepping out and trying to offer something to the world when they don't can be a trigger. It shines a line on the contrast between themselves and others.

This is a story about a person's inner experience grappling with a manifestation of human civilization which is incongruent with one's innate and primitive survival programming. It registers at my core and there is a deep conflict about what it means to be a good citizen as a human induced Holocaust looms.

And what do you mf's have to offer ? What does it say about you that all you can do is try to make this a personal issue ?

Tell me ..... what's in your hearts ? How do you feel ? Are you angry ? Sad ? Numb ? What is the trigger inside you for your wish to tear me down ?

I guess NASA is wrong too. Maybe you should write them a letter a-hole.

https://science.nasa.gov/science-research/earth-science/milankovitch-orbital-cycles-and-their-role-in-earths-climate/

NASA Science

Milankovitch (Orbital) Cycles and Their Role in Earth's Climate - NASA Science

Eccentricity – Earth’s annual pilgrimage around the Sun isn’t perfectly circular, but it’s pretty close. Over time, the pull of gravity from our solar system’s two largest gas giant planets, Jupiter and Saturn, causes the shape of Earth’s orbit to vary from nearly circular to slightly elliptical.

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I guess NASA is wrong too. Maybe you should write them a letter a-hole.

https://science.nasa.gov/science-research/earth-science/milankovitch-orbital-cycles-and-their-role-in-earths-climate/

NASA Science

Milankovitch (Orbital) Cycles and Their Role in Earth's Climate - NASA Science

... See full post

Thanks for unwittingly confirming my point.

non-hypothetical numbers: 0.0167 / ±0.002.

And by the way, if you really think mainstream scientists don't agree with your Doomerism and are downplaying catastrophe because they’re scared of losing their jobs.... what about the ones who’ve already retired? Or the ones who find out they’ve only got six months to live?

Cognitive bias on stilts.

It's fascinating the degree to which people are programmed to deflect from the emotional and psychic aspect of where the world is headed.

We read history books which tell us about mass atrocities like the Holocaust and we wonder what possessed people to go along with those atrocities.

At some level .... perhaps we might wonder how we would have acted in such a historical setting. Would we have remained silent and complicit ?

We're getting the answer to that question. Most people would have done exactly what the Europeans did who were accessories to those atrocities a century ago. Nothing. They would have ducked for cover and not stuck their neck out. That's normal.

Someone abnormal comes along and offers contrast. That contrast is triggering. You attack it indirectly. You attack the character of someone who has some sprinkle of neurodivergence which causes them not to be silent.

That's what's really going on here. This erudite nonsense about a tiny factor in Earth's orbit is just pretext for your triggers. It has nothing to do with the story of where the world is headed and how this intersects with our sense of purpose or our desire to control our destiny in a world where that idea of control is an illusion.

0.0167 is an AVERAGE eccentricity.

0.0034 to 0.058 is the RANGE of eccentricity. That's a 17x increase and decrease in eccentricity as a result of gravitational forces.

Mainstream scientists mostly support my outlook. They simply refuse to wander into the political realm to directly criticize the people who control the grant money that keeps them employed and puts food on their table.

Look at Trump's threats to the federal funding of institutions like Columbia, Harvard, etc.

They have a conflict of interest. If they come out and say that the situation is FUBAR, what justification is there to continue paying them ? Scientists need to survive too.

There are some like Carl Sagan and James Hansen who have had the balls to transcend the repercussions. Hansen was subject to lots of censorship pressure from the 2nd Bush administration.

If you actually read the IPCC reports ..... they are saying as much as their handlers allow them to. It's not a pretty picture that they paint at all.

What happens to social order if the truth as I depict it gets embraced ? How do we motivate high school students to study in preparation for a future which is dark and uncertain ?

Do you actually think the nobles who control the media are going to consent to releasing a dark truth that destabilizes society and creates unrest ? Do you think they want the public to be focused on their private exit strategies such as survival bunkers with Navy Seal guards or orbiting space stations equipped with a food supply to last decades while chaos erupts at the surface ?

0.0167 is an average eccentricity [of the current secular cycle 100K years ie the one that actually paces the ice ages].

0.0034 to 0.058 is the range of eccentricity [over millions and millions of years ie the long term envelope of orbital variation].

That’s a 17× increase and decrease in eccentricity [over millions and millions of years ie the long term envelope of orbital variation, not the short-term 100K-year cycles that drive the ice ages].

The word "Doomerism" is simply a perjorative label which is designed to discredit the messenger. It's got nothing to do with substance.

The whole purpose of illustrating Milankovitch Cycles was to document the DRASTIC historical changes as Earth's atmospheric CO2 levels oscillated between 160 and 280 ppm. That's less than one doubling of GHG forcing and it was the difference between an ice age that covered NYC under a mountain of ice and a warm period.

If less than one doubling / halving cycle of CO2 results in such a drastic difference in one direction ..... what do you think it leads to if it if a full doubling and more goes in the other direction ?

Which scientists do you follow about the expected impacts ? Who is providing you comfort that everything is going to be just fine ?

Do you fabricate this **** up as you go ? Where is your source for millions and millions of years ? You rep yourself as a Christian .... does the commandment not to lie have any resonance for you or do you have a blanket forgiveness for your sins ?

https://infogalactic.com/info/Orbital_ec...

Over hundreds of thousands of years, the eccentricity of the Earth's orbit varies from nearly 0.0034 to almost 0.058 as a result of gravitational attractions among the planets (

(Edit: a complete Milankovitch Cycle is close to 100k years .... that's the time frame for a recurring eccentricity variation of 0.0034 to 0.058.)

Did you just have some kind of fantasy vision of this concept of millions and millions of years of long-term envelope of orbital variation ?

Can you enlighten the readers of this thread as to factors which cause this longer term cycle ?

I see that you typed some words on the screen and hit the "submit reply" button. I confess I'm very curious as to the source of that assertion :-)

Since you're into playing this whole character integrity war .... let's put your integrity under a microscope John. That's fair, isn't it ?

Teach us something John .....

Honestly, I think this little exercise in attempted one upmanship has the potential to be instructive.

Each of us has a psyche and an ego which is part of our survival apparatus. Most of us have a deep inner desire to be useful within the communities we inhabit and to serve some purpose.

For most, this sense of purpose is connected to a worldview which includes an extended version of humanity. That allows us to leave some sort of legacy which might survive us and be relevant when we are gone.

The possibility that there won't be a human future has the potential to interfere with our internal appraisal of our purpose and value. That can be deeply unsettling and so uncomfortable that it gives rise to a desire to eliminate that possibility. The possibility that we are actually complicit in a system which is systematically undermining our children and granchildren's future should be troubling for a person who has a conscience.

This is not easy stuff to integrate. I've had a decade of practice dealing with difficult emotions associated with this .... anger, frustration, impotence, loneliness. I can't keep it bottled up inside .... I need to express it.

I have some compassion for how this triggers people. I understand the fight or flight response includes either departing the conversation or trying to discredit the messenger.

I don't engage in this for the purpose of getting a fight or flight response. I don't "get off" on arguments. I do this because I am highly confident that the picture I'm painting is accurate and the problem becomes deeper the longer we remain in denial and don't begin the necessary adaptation.

I want to help people come to terms with what I wholehearted believe is the truth. I want to explore with them the obstacles to embracing that difficult truth because nature isn't going to give us a pass on the basis of inconvenience to ourselves. Nature doesn't give a **** about us. We are the guests of this party .... not the hosts we might imagine ourselves to be.

If you've been brainwashed by tribal indoctrination to believe that humans have been singularly selected as God's preferred representatives, that's some fantasy ideology. We're just animals with sophisticated brains and hands which are well equipped to manipulate our physical environment. Nature gives no ****s about humans or our egotistical and irrational belief in our durability.

Your attacks on me are not about me. They're about you and what this topic arouses in you. Let's talk about how you feel about the possibility of civilization collapse and human extinction. How does that intersect with your sense of purpose ?

In physics, there is a huge difference between "damn close to a circle" and actually being a circle.
Also, why do you think the minimum eccentricity is the natural state of the earth's orbit and all those nasty planets are forcing it out of whack?

First of all .... there is no intimation of a "natural" eccentricity. There is an eccentricity measurement when gravitational impact is minimal and there is an eccentricity measurement when gravitational impact is maximal resulting in a recurring oscillation within a relatively fixed range. Nor do I think that other planets are nasty.

I think that the gravitational force of those other planets is pulling it out of whack because I trust that the people at NASA who offer public guidance on the causes of Milankovitch Cycles know what they are talking about.

I don't pretend to have figured any of this out on my own. I look for trusted sources. Double check them for corroboration if possible.

If you think there is a conspiracy which NASA is involved in to try and lie to the public about the causes of Earth's orbital eccentricity ..... you're welcome to believe that.

No one has disputed the causes of the Milankovitch Cycle.

So what dispute are you alluding to ?

Way back when on the blackjack board.... Didn't think it through.

Like that from NASA? Similar to twirling a weight on an elastic string faster or slower would change the circumference of the circle?

Still, for some reason I'm thinking the energy required to get the weight orbiting on plane would dwarf the modulation of that energy. Could be 20x, with the modulation accounting for 5%, idk.

Then we have to account for where all that initial orbit energy came from. My guess is it was there from when the system formed, in one form or another.

It all started with this.

With this response following.

The best response from you would have been something like "Oh, okay. Learn something new every day. How about something like this "The result is variations in Earth's elliptical orbit". But you didn't do that. You took a small correction and turned it into a (perceived) attack on your life's work, your descendants, your ancestors, and your credibility. The ironic thing is, that by not being willing to take feedback and leaving in incorrect science, your credibility suffers.

This will be the last I comment on this particular subject. It is obvious you have no actual interest in receiving feedback.

You obviously missed this post of mine above

Hey ... I'm human. I'm not omniscient and I learn by making mistakes. I've learned something here about the very small portion of Earth's eccentricity which is not due to the gravitational forces I had originally explained as the source of that eccentricity when it fact it seems they are only responsible for about 94%.

So nothing to say about your complete invention and fabrication of a cycle of million and millions of years ?

And you attack my credibility ?

I swear could swear that I'm dealing with something equivalent to an army of bots who are obsessed with seeking ways to undermine someone's character and engage in one upmanship.

The energy to deflect from the substance of the conversation which aims to discuss the veracity of the assertion that human civilization is in deep jeopardy and what might mean for our sense of purpose as humans is pretty staggering.

I'm fascinated to have a conversation on why this topic is so triggering that it sets off these intense fight or flight impulses.

I'm trying to connect with people at a primitive emotional level.

I want to know how people feel about the possibility that we have initiated feedback loops which are outside of our control that will wreck human civilization.

What meaning might such a development have in your life affairs ?

Are you folks angry with me for suggesting that this is our situation ?

Anger is an emotion which serves a purpose of setting boundaries when someone crosses a boundary which we consider an invasion of personal space.

Do people consider it an invasion of personal space to have these dark possibilities introduced in this forum ?

My antennae are telling me that people feel I'm breaking some sort of unwritten rule here. That I should understand free and open consideration of these possibilities to be a social taboo.

It feels like something akin to the situation described in the fable "The Emperor Had No Clothes" ...... where all the common folk had somehow acquired the unwritten understanding to ooh and aah at the imagined clothes of the naked emperor. And then a single child who hasn't gotten the memo yells out that the emperor is indeed naked.

People here want to attack my credibility.

But I am the only one here who is being open and acknowledging my emotional state related to the way things are evolving with respect to changes in Earth systems which are vitally important to the continuity of human civilization.

I encourage you to cast aside the tyranny of your masks and exercise your freedom to reveal how you feel. You're not zombies or prisoners. You're human beings with feelings. If you want to pretend otherwise .... you're lying to yourself.