Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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Right. Obviously you should choose some influential zionists to do the terrorism against. Right?
Please don't give him any ideas.
you should reread the exchange with checkrais. he found reports that he attacked the synagogue for supporting Israel.
Explain. What makes this a "clearly pro-Zionist synagogue" and not just a regular synagogue?
I linked to its website already. https://www.hphc.org.uk/
You're the only one even suggesting that it should.
I dunno, seems the people that are emphatic that this was some sort of antisemitic attack on Jews are suggesting that.
Right. Obviously you should choose some influential zionists to do the terrorism against. Right?
fighting against the people actually doing a genocide is right and good.
I linked to its website already. https://www.hphc.org.uk/
What part of the webpage makes this a "clearly pro-Zionist synagogue" and not just a regular synagogue?
probably the prayer for Israel and the pictures of Israeli flags. you need me to shake it for you too?
Thank you for (finally!) answering a simple question.
Right, so driving into a synagogue with a car is ok as long as victor is satisfied the target was important enough.
A right to resist using what methods? And when did this right begin, after October 7 or before?
Right, so driving into a synagogue with a car is ok as long as victor is satisfied the target was important enough.
since when have you had a problem with attacking places of worship? oh, wait I get it. only Jewish places of worship matter.
since when have you had a problem with attacking places of worship? oh, wait I get it. only Jewish places of worship matter.
If Netanyahu visits a country that is a party to the ICC, does that mean a random citizen has a right to run him over with a car?
Also if you don’t have a problem with it either, what’s the problem? Why do you complain so much about Israel’s alleged methods if you don’t object to them?
Blue says he's besties with Arabs. This article is for him, an Israeli Arab describing how he gets by in Haifa and Jerusalem.
For Palestinians in Israel, self-censorship has long been a survival mechanism, our silence the condition of our citizenship.
Growing up in Jerusalem, the awareness of being watched, of always being a little suspect, was stitched into our house rules. Don’t smoke. Don’t date. Don’t take candy from strangers. And also: don’t speak too loudly about who you are. Don’t risk a wrong glance at a soldier, or a wrong turn through a Jewish settlement that could get you stoned.
Blue says he's besties with Arabs. This article is for him, an Israeli Arab describing how he gets by in Haifa and Jerusalem.
What country in the Middle East do you not have to watch what you do/say? What happens if you say the wrong thing or step the wrong way in places like Iran, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Gaza? I mean Gaza we know, we see the torture and execution videos. And most of those other places have severe jail sentences (at best) if you get on the wrong side of authorities.
Israel isn't perfect, but it is certainly better to live in, even if you are Arab, than most of the rest of the Middle East. The Middle East generally sucks. It is a religious, tribal, violent, small-minded region of the world. That is why so many (even religious Muslim) Arabs, are trying to get out. It just sucks for the West they bring their dysfunctions and pathologies with them and abuse the grace of the West.
What country in the Middle East do you not have to watch what you do/say? What happens if you say the wrong thing or step the wrong way in places like Iran, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Gaza? I mean Gaza we know, we see the torture and execution videos. And most of those other places have severe jail sentences (at best) if you get on the wrong side of authorities. Israel isn't perf
Another point that the discussion often comes back to for pro Netanyahu people
“shut up about the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians killed or brutally injured …and start talking about things in Africa or some Muslim country”
Another point that the discussion often comes back to for pro Netanyahu people
“shut up about the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians killed or brutally injured …and start talking about things in Africa or some Muslim country”
I have a question for you. Why do you suppose Jews so bad at genocide? In 1948 the Palestinian population was 1.4 million and 80 years later it is now over 7 million (not even counting the diaspora). How do you let a population increase by 4X while you are purposefully genociding them?
Contrast this with Turkey, whose Christian population went from 4.5 million at the end of the Ottoman Empire to about 200,000 today; over a 22x decrease.
Why do you think Turkey so much better at genocide, and why is it such a minor talking point in comparison. I almost feel like Israel and the Jews are disrespected because they arent the unapologetic cold hearted killers that Turks are (and plenty of other similar examples with similar outcomes) and they are seen as weak as a result. Whereas Turks are respected for their strength and resolve in getting the job done right.
I have a question for you. Why do you suppose Jews so bad at genocide? In 1948 the Palestinian population was 1.4 million and 80 years later it is now over 7 million (not even counting the diaspora). How do you let a population increase by 4X while you are purposefully genociding them? Contrast this with Turkey, whose Christian population went from 4.5 million at the end o
This is also another point that is usually at some point always brought up by the pro war in Gaza people. They will also show pictures of old map and things like that. Or they will say things like “Israel is this tiny country in the Middle East. It’s a tiny Jewish country surrounded by Muslim countries.”
The biggest gaslighting of all is when they claim “Israel is fighting for its existence” never mind the Abraham accords or Saudi Arabia giving intelligence to Israel. No arab countries attacking Israel.
What matters is what’s happening now and the “war” in Gaza is one of if not the most brutal in the world statistically that is to say by the number of civilian deaths. Plenty of countries perhaps all of them have controversial history.
It’s not a war in Gaza but basically a situation where the IDF is able to do whatever it wants with absolutely no real means of defense from outside countries or outside organizations except for words. No Egyptian tanks no Jordanian tanks on the ground. No jets flying into Israel. It’s nothing like the war in Ukraine.
I think it’s pretty obvious at this point that the same people even if Israel bombed an American city or transferred every Palestinian out of Palestine or Israel, the pro war in Gaza people would say why aren’t you talking about turkeys history, why aren’t you talking about what’s going on in Africa.
This is also another point that is usually at some point always brought up by the pro war in Gaza people. They will also show pictures of old map and things like that. Or they will say things like “Israel is this tiny country in the Middle East. It’s a tiny Jewish country surrounded by Muslim countries.” The biggest gaslighting of all is when they claim “Israel is fighting for
So you dont have any thoughts why everyone is so critical of Israel's poorly executed genocide relative to the more successful ones that most of the world is agnostic towards?
Yes. There is 2 things going on, which can be illustrated by the titles of these books.People have been conditioned to support society destroying ideologies. And society is being destroyed as a result.
Would you be good enough to summarize how these authors would respond to the questions I posed? Surely in these book-length treatments of the subject, they would have addressed them.
It’s not really that big of a deal to talk about Israel/Palestine in real life. If people truly cared about it they would speak up, but the reality is most people aren’t invested enough. Online virtue signaling is easy, low effort and gives the same sense of satisfaction. I would guess the main reason antisemitic conspiracy theories are spreading is because antisemitism has
Why don't you see poker as a good analogy (I never said 'equate') to geopolitical maneuvering? Are they both not strategic game theoretical situations with limited information?
The whole area we are talking about is smaller than the state I live in and has less people than the metro area I live in. And the area has no natural resources at all to exploit, and nothing is being extracted to bring back to some homeland that doesn't even exist. You cant even argue the Palestinians were exploited to build Israel's wealth, as they had no part in building it.
The whole area is mostly worthless swamp and desert land that practically no one lived in or cared about (except religious nutty people) until European Jews bought and started developing the land in the 19th century.
What are we even talking about?
Muslims in Texas have bought a bunch of land and are trying to build a Muslim community called EPIC city; where many Texans including the governor dont want them to, and legal battles are being fought. Is that a colonial enterprise? Should Texans declare Jihad to drive out the Muslim colonizers? If Texas did declare Jihad on the Muslim developers, attacked them and the Muslims defeated Texas and conquered a bunch of worthless land in the process and then developed it, would they be obligated to give it back?
