Israel/Palestine thread

so predictable

wait but if he succeeded in killing more zionists this would be good because it’s inherently genocidal according to you. punch a nazi, right? are you policing what legitimate resistance looks like?

you’re talking out of both sides of your mouth. I’m just asking questions. besides you’re the one that actually has a slogan, I don’t.

maybe he just wanted to prevent baby murder and rape for fun and profit. what’s wrong with that in your view?

when did I justify it? I just said it wasnt necessarily "antisemitic" in nature. and, given the evidence that checkrais brought, it seems even less likely to have been. that doesnt mean it was justifiable or positive. but I can see why people with your Supremacist worldview would make that misguided connection.

nah

I would say killing jews because you think you are helping out anti-zionist causes is pretty antisemitic. But what do I know? I’m just an evil zionist (read: believes in a two state solution).

so the Jewish uprisings against the nazis were unjustified? that’s the example you always go to right victorious? what’s wrong with an uprising against nazis?

wait you are comparing this guys actions to people fighting back from a concentration camp against their captors? I think I am starting to understand your issues.

These are comparisons you’ve drawn. The disgusting slurs you’ve been using against the Jewish community. You think people wouldn’t take you seriously that 99% of Jewish synagogues support baby killing and pedophilia?

what slurs? that synagogue and most others support Israel which is a state doing genocide right now in the name of the Jews. the IDF and Israel leaders and Israeli media explicitly say so.

the fact is there is no way to know if this guy attacked bc he "hates Jews" (ie antisemitism) or bc he is mad about the genocide (still not in any way justifiable to be clear obv).

obv I dont support attacking random powerless people who express support for Israel and its genocide but this is exactly what I have been talking about when I say that if the Jewish community doesnt start to condemn Israel and move away from Zionism then these sort of things will become commonplace. right now, the Western media, law enforcement, political leaders, and liberal elites condemn it. but at some point Israel may not be worth the investment and the Tucker side will take over it will get real ugly.

or it was a mkultra mind control false flag. who even knows anymore. Gladio strategy of tension years of lead reboot is in full effect.

Right. Stop supporting Israel or you’ll get more terrorism against you. Not that you condone it or anything. Just stand back and stand by.

hey man, if you dont believe me then maybe you will believe a Jewish publication.

https://jewishcurrents.org/the-tangled-k...

Hamas is preparing a list of demands that is probably going to be basically what they have been demanding this whole time. That Israel leave Gaza while they slowly string out hostage release over weeks/months. And I guess at the behest of Trump, Netanyahu is going to agree to this.

Hamas will frame this as a W. But in reality this is an ok result for Netanyahu. Gaza terror infrastructure is mostly destroyed and it is going to be very hard to rebuild with the whole world watching. And there might not be any appetite by Hamas allies to pay for such a rebuild. And with Hamas still hanging around doing Hamas things, Netanyahu doesn't have to worry about a Palestinian state, which he doesn't want.

As long as Hamas and Hezbollah aren't allowed to rebuild themselves as formidable paramilitaries threatening Israel with thousands of rockets and drones, than Israel came out ok of this on the security side. As far as the diplomatic side, we shall see I guess.

Large parts of Gaza are currently controlled by armed militias that have been fighting with Hamas, so likely bad blood. Will be interesting to see what kind of power strugges/civil wars happen in the aftermath. Good chance Israel will support any militias that do try to contest Hamas rule as much as they can get away with.

What is this, the Candace Owens argument? Oh Jew agree therefore must be true. lol I thought even you were above such a pathetic argument.

It’s not really that big of a deal to talk about Israel/Palestine in real life. If people truly cared about it they would speak up, but the reality is most people aren’t invested enough. Online virtue signaling is easy, low effort and gives the same sense of satisfaction.

I would guess the main reason antisemitic conspiracy theories are spreading is because antisemitism has always been a popular brand of hate and the rise of social media and extremist politics is empowering to low intelligence racists if all kinds.

For political grifters like Candace Owens, jumping on the antisemitism train is just smart business. Their target audience is low intelligence, low confidence males, a group who love a good conspiracy theory to explain why their lives are so miserable. That’s at least my surface take without knowing all that much about Owens. I don’t know enough about her to say exactly why she is gaining popularity but I’d assume it’s more complicated than more antisemitism=more clicks although I’m sure it’s a factor. 5mil followers is impressive but the US has a population of 360mil so it’s not like she’s mainstream, yet.

I don’t doubt that antisemitism is rising, but it’s probably not as simple as a direct relationship with Candace Owens followers. As she pivots further into peddling antisemitism she is probably capturing more of an already established audience. As in she’s gaining traction within an already established group of antisemites.

Similarly, for foreign state actors, peddling antisemitic conspiracy theories is an easy and low effort way to spread discontent and mistrust in authority. Some of these political influencers and grifters are paid by foreign nation states to spread propaganda.

Obviously Israel’s actions over time and specifically since October 7th have had some effect on negative perceptions towards Jews and Israel. However, I think the main phenomena is people who already harbor antisemitic attitudes are being empowered to speak up where in the past they may have kept to themselves.

“Globalize the Intifada”

I would not equate any of this to poker.

As for Trump being compromised? It’s likely but he’s also primarily concerned with enriching himself which explains why he’s so pliable. I don’t think he cares much about his base as long as they’ve served their purpose by putting him in power. There’s definitely a reason someone went through the effort of convincing American Arabs that they should vote Trump and I don’t think Israel is the sole foreign state with influence over Trump.

My biased opinion is Israel should have some degree of influence with our president seeing as how they are one of our most important allies.

no its an argument for you bc you believe in Jewish exceptionalism and hold their opinions above others.

So as predicted, Hamas just took a giant dump on Trumps 20 point plan, and announced their own plan, which is the same one they have been pushing for 2 years, and they state is not negotiable.

So I guess Trump/Netanyahu are just going to try to wall off Gaza City and move ahead rebuilding the rest of Gaza?

Seems like a disaster waiting to happen with a lot of domestic terrorist operations and bad faith propaganda against Israel.

True, but he’s on the far left and has an ethnic studies degree.

It rather painfully obviously was. Jews = Zionists so kill Jews. Kill Manchester Jews, thousands of miles from Gaza, on account of an ethnic grudge. Pretty much antisemitic.

Incidentally, the attacker was on police bail for rape charges, in case you wish to keep excusing him as a valiant promoter of US 'liberal' values.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly97ervz1zo

BBC News

Synagogue attacker Jihad Al-Shamie was on bail after rape arrest, police say

Im not excusing the guy for anything. but he attacked a clearly pro-Zionist synagogue so theres really no way to disentangle if he attacked them for "being Jews" like the Europeans did for centuries or for supporting the Israeli genocide.

and ofc it shouldnt matter. attacking innocent and non-threatening and non-influential people for their beliefs, no matter how abhorrent, is the obv big problem here. that the victims were Jewish doesnt make it any worse or better.

Regardless of which “side” you’re on, I think we can all ignore Victor’s garbage over the past 2 pages.

And as for Hamas scuttling every single ceasefire opportunity, it’s sad but expected. Hamas didn’t invade on October 7th with expectations of making peace with the Israelis.

Every Palestinian that dies while they hide in their tunnels is a martyr.

Explain. What makes this a "clearly pro-Zionist synagogue" and not just a regular synagogue?

They do that? How did you learn this?

You're the only one even suggesting that it should.

Right. Obviously you should choose some influential zionists to do the terrorism against. Right?