Pro-life conservatives VS a Simple hypothetical
It’s definitely been an odd derail by several people not understanding that comparing embryos to babies is not the same as comparing babies to elderly people, babies to six year olds, or babies about to be born to babies a few minutes old. The whole concept of viability being the crux of the issue went straight over everyone’s heads.The more I see online, the worse my outlook i
I spent a lot of time about a decade ago, trying to get logic/philosophy classes into public HS in CA. Bad timing, as the right-wing went full assault on public education, so anything that was outside of STEM really got no time or play.
But I've said for a long, long time now... we need to teach logic. It's one of the more helpful things you can do for a person imho, giving them the tools to understand questions and problems correctly.
I tried taking logic in college and it was a miserable class that I thought would be a breeze. Similar to Stress Management, which I thought was about breathing exercises or something but was actually a physiology and neurology class
The above is not an accurate description of legal precedent surrounding fetal homicide and fetal injury. There is no single national legal precedent; and personhood of the fetus varies by state. Not every state even has fetal homicide laws.I can’t debate with you if your premise and facts are inaccurate.I will say to somewhat answer you questions that my beliefs surrounding abo
Several states (e.g. Idaho, Mississippi) disagree with you:
National Right to Life - Protecting Life in America Since 1968.
Since literally everyone who has disagreed with Crossnerd in this thread has been temp-banned, I'm out.
BGnight and hole in wan are going to take a short break to better understand why debating the ethics and science behind abortions is welcome here, but referring to woman as “whores” who “lets guys bust nuts” in them is not. Misogynistic rhetoric, slut shaming, and gendered slurs are not allowed here, regardless of the temperature of the debates.
Several states (e.g. Idaho, Mississippi) disagree with you:
National Right to Life - Protecting Life in America Since 1968.Correct, states disagree with each other on these precedents. There is no one precedent for what constitutes life or personhood and there has been no federal ruling for those definitions either. Some states have feticide, others don’t. Some states let you prosecute fetal murder from the moment of conception, other states don’t unless the fetus was at a viable stage of development.
I think maybe you misunderstood what I was said. It is a commonly held pro-choice belief that an embryo can’t be murdered because it isn’t a person. Some states agree, others don’t.
If you’re searching for a legal “gotcha” here, don’t bother. The Supreme Court has been dealing with this already for decades. You, chuck, are not going to the genius mind to come up with a breakthrough on this.
Correct, states disagree with each other on these precedents. There is no one precedent for what constitutes life or personhood and there has been no federal ruling for those definitions either. Some states have feticide, others don’t. Some states let you prosecute fetal murder from the moment of conception, other states don’t unless the fetus was at a viable stage of developme
I think we need to be honest w/ ourselves here and realize we're arguing w/ people who think a virgin gave birth to a son of God, who died and resurrected himself 3 days later.
We're just not living in the same reality, and logic and reason are out the door. Without those two things, you'll never reach a reasonable and logical conclusion with them.
I know we know that... but sometimes a reminder is good. 😀
Since literally everyone who has disagreed with Crossnerd in this thread has been temp-banned, I'm out.
Nobody is banned for disagreeing with me.
This topic frequently brings out the shittiest of behaviors and statements from certain men, which have some pretty disturbing implications.
I didn't find it interesting as it wasn't really how to reason through logic as much as word:word word::??? fill in the blank stuff and I never wrapped my head around it
Maybe I'm just illogical though
That's a bummer.... sounds like you didn't have a very good instructor. If it's taught too dry, it can get a little thick for some people. You need to combine it w/ discussion and current events.
B = Baby
E = Five embryos
S(x) = “x survives if chosen”
V(x) = “value of x”
(S(B)∧¬S(E))∨(S(E)∧¬S(B))
Correct, states disagree with each other on these precedents. There is no one precedent for what constitutes life or personhood and there has been no federal ruling for those definitions either. Some states have feticide, others don’t. Some states let you prosecute fetal murder from the moment of conception, other states don’t unless the fetus was at a viable stage of developme
True. But to be fair, I still have trouble figuring out how to tie my shoes. Velcro is a wonderful thing.
I agree.
I taught Intro to Logic and Intro to Philosophy at a community college for several years.
Cool... how did you teach your intro classes?
When I got my degree, I was initially thinking of becoming a broke philosophy professor. Having kids ended up changing that goal, along w/ the politics of actually teaching what I wanted to teach, which was an uphill battle for colleagues of mine. I opted out of the fight. :(
'While there is no purely rational argument for theism, there is no non-theistic argument for rationality.'
There is a thread in RGT about this.
Oh boy... new thread.
Rationality can also be grounded in coherence: logic and math are abstract frameworks, but they don’t require a deity, only consistent axioms.
If you can't see that difference, I'm curious what philosophy you were even studying.
Oh boy... new thread.
Rationality can also be grounded in coherence: logic and math are abstract frameworks, but they don’t require a deity, only consistent axioms.
If you can't see that difference, I'm curious what philosophy you were even studying.
Are you familiar with TAG (Transcendental Argument for God)?
Championed by Cornelius Van Til and Greg Bahnsen.
More recently, by astrophysicist and Christian apologist Jason Lisle in his book The Ultimate Proof of Creation.
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