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This was in the UK.
Noah Carl has since moved on to publishing vaccine misinformation and climate change denial in a tabloid rag
So you're saying that racial differences in intelligence is one of the major tenets of conservative ideology. Interesting.
no I am saying that the full denial of that is a major tenet of American liberalism.
a major tenet of conservative ideology these days would be that tax cuts pay for themselves.
imagine conservatives banning people who try to counter that from all major media
it was peak wokism and colleges went really crazy yes.
anyway you said the topic wasn't censored in academic settings, it was.
The guy deserved to be fired
This was in the UK.
Noah Carl has since moved on to publishing vaccine misinformation and climate change denial in a tabloid rag
that was in a major tier1 university and I posted that to answer the claim that the topic wasn't censored in academic settings.
Carl company got also debanked by PayPal during peak COVID censorship, just to keep the score about incredible censorship.
while the daily skeptic did publish some vax misinformation, Carl never penned any untruthful article though.
he has to work in those settings *because you guys removed all other job options from him* through massive censorship and woke cancelation.
not that it changes a bit about the original topic which is that it is taboo also in academic settings to discuss racial differences in IQ
no I am saying that the full denial of that is a major tenet of American liberalism.
a major tenet of conservative ideology these days would be that tax cuts pay for themselves.
imagine conservatives banning people who try to counter that from all major media
Well that's just silly because I never hear liberals mentioning the issue, I have never seen that listed on any tenet of liberalism list, and I'm pretty sure it has never been in the platform of the Democratic Party.
I don't even think most liberals necessarily believe that there are no differences between the intelligence of different races. I think it's more likely they agree with me that it doesn't matter in the least because nothing would or should change based on the issue.
Honestly I don't even think the argument that "tax cuts pay for themselves" is a major tenet of Conservatism. It certainly shouldn't be, as it has proven to be incorrect in the last 45 years.
sure because discussing racial differences in IQ is verboten even in academic settings by your side.
that's the topic and you are confirming it.
He deserved to be fired for being an unscientific hack who was found guilty of peddling nonsense and has since moved on to peddling more nonsense because thats all he ever was or ever will be
There is a mountain of evidence (~7 years worth) pointing to that being the straight forward fact
That you revere the guy is simultaneously unsurprising and completely beneath someone claiming to be intelligent
for you radical leftists, everything that doesn't align with your ideology is "far right", we played this game already.
aporia attempts to dismantle the aforementioned taboo and that for you is automatically the gravest sin possible, because it's a religion for you guys.
that's circular logic though. yes we know you consider it monstrous to discuss that topic. that's the point. you keep confirming it
Well that's just silly because I never hear liberals mentioning the issue, I have never seen that listed on any tenet of liberalism list, and I'm pretty sure it has never been in the platform of the Democratic Party.
you never heard the idea that races don't exist, that they are an unscientifical concept, and that no measurable difference about anything related to behavior or mental ability exists among ethnicities that is explained by genetics and any attempt to claim otherwise is racism?
that's a core tenet of liberalism and cordie among others repeated that many times in this very forum for example.
I find it hard to believe that you have not heard the above mentioned many many times by liberals
for you radical leftists, everything that doesn't align with your ideology is "far right", we played this game already.aporia attempts to dismantle the aforementioned taboo and that for you is automatically the gravest sin possible, because it's a religion for you guys.that's circular logic though. yes we know you consider it monstrous to discuss that topic. that's the point. y
My guy, it’s not a giant conspiracy. Sometimes people are just racist
I know this is difficult for you to understand because you don’t think you yourself are racist but every single other poster here knows you are a racist
My guy, it’s not a giant conspiracy. Sometimes people are just racist
I know this is difficult for you to understand because you don’t think you yourself are racist but every single other poster here knows you are a racist
people are often racist under the definition you use.
what you need to understand is that that doesn't make them "far right" nor "wrong" if they are.
you can't even comprehend the possibility that you guys decided everything you dislike about racial discourse is racism, and you were utterly wrong in doing that.
I know I am a racist under the leftist definition you use, as I know every single person I respect Is as well, it's impossible to be a rational human being and not be racist under leftist definitions.
in order to not be racist under your definition I would need to deny objective reality
He deserved to be fired for being an unscientific hack who was found guilty of peddling nonsense and has since moved on to peddling more nonsense because thats all he ever was or ever will beThere is a mountain of evidence (~7 years worth) pointing to that being the straight forward factThat you revere the guy is simultaneously unsurprising and completely beneath someone claimi
He was fired for his associations. Prior to that inquest all of his published material was so impressive that he was hired at multiple prestigious universities.
He was fired because they didn’t want the negative press, simple as. You can think it was a good thing he was fired but that doesn’t mean his relevant work was unscientific.
people are often racist under the definition you use.what you need to understand is that that doesn't make them "far right" nor "wrong" if they are.you can't even comprehend the possibility that you guys decided everything you dislike about racial discourse is racism, and you were utterly wrong in doing that.I know I am a racist under the leftist definition you use, as I know e
It’s not “my” definition, it’s the socially accepted definition of racism
Like, you can’t make a racial tier list and not be racist. That’s literally the definition from the dictionary
This is what didace is talking about. You e painted yourself into a corner and you think you can flail and deny your way out of it but you just aren’t that smart
you never heard the idea that races don't exist, that they are an unscientifical concept, and that no measurable difference about anything related to behavior or mental ability exists among ethnicities that is explained by genetics and any attempt to claim otherwise is racism?that's a core tenet of liberalism and cordie among others repeated that many times in this very forum f
I have never heard liberals mention that they are against any discussion of the intelligence of various races. That is what was being discussed.
Regarding your new concepts here, I have heard the bolded items, but not in any political context.
I have not heard the parts following the bolded part.
He was fired for his associations. Prior to that inquest all of his published material was so impressive that he was hired at multiple prestigious universities.
He was fired because they didn’t want the negative press, simple as. You can think it was a good thing he was fired but that doesn’t mean his relevant work was unscientific.
You can look at his work and see the topics he covered and why that research was lauded and then at some point around 2018 he decided he was going to become a race scientist.
The guy was just a sociologist
Turns out he was a racist first
I have never heard liberals mention that they are against any discussion of the intelligence of various races. That is what was being discussed.
Regarding your new concepts here, I have heard the bolded items, but not in any political context.
I have not heard the parts following the bolded part.
well I just linked to a university which fired a person because he attended a conference where discussion of intelligence and races took place, and the mods here said clearly that topic is a bannable offence here as well and so I hope you now understand that yes it's a core part of liberalism to consider that topic taboo.
Like, I don’t know what to tell you guys other than “black people are fundamentally less intelligent than other races” is a completely untenable stance to have as someone who has to potentially teach black people who were accepted and are now paying to be at a university
It’s not “my” definition, it’s the socially accepted definition of racism
Like, you can’t make a racial tier list and not be racist. That’s literally the definition from the dictionary
This is what didace is talking about. You e painted yourself into a corner and you think you can flail and deny your way out of it but you just aren’t that smart
it's not the "socially accepted definition of racism" otherwise you wouldn't have countless republicans (the majority among voters in 2024 I should remind you) constantly having to answer claims of racism with "no, we aren't, your definition is ******ed".
the literal definition in the dictionary varies significantly with different dictionaries.
read the Cambridge one accurately
see the HARMFUL in both definitions?
so according to that dictionary making a racial tier list for anything wouldn't be racism unless there was the intent to harm purported "inferior" races while doing so.
which is the definition I use. Racism requires an intent to harm other ethnic groups because of their purported differences.
just believing measurable, at least partially genetically determined differences exist between ethnicities is not racism
well I just linked to a university which fired a person because he attended a conference where discussion of intelligence and races took place, and the mods here said clearly that topic is a bannable offence here as well and so I hope you now understand that yes it's a core part of liberalism to consider that topic taboo.
Yes, you linked to that information about the university and the race science guy, yet you have not been banned.
lucky for us judgement is settled externally to your internal ethos so it doesn’t really matter what your intent is only how others perceive it
And everyone here sees you as a racist
Just like Rickroll saying pol pot wasn’t actively trying to be evil. Who gives a **** what his intent was committing a genocide
Like, I don’t know what to tell you guys other than “black people are fundamentally less intelligent than other races” is a completely untenable stance to have as someone who has to potentially teach black people who were accepted and are now paying to be at a university
I can't discuss that claim so I won't, but let's try this.
should a black NBA coach be fired if he said that he believes blacks are particularly well predisposed genetically to be the best at basketball?
and why would you expect him to mistreat eventual non black individuals of exceptional talent in his team if he said that?
it's not the "socially accepted definition of racism" otherwise you wouldn't have countless republicans (the majority among voters in 2024 I should remind you) constantly having to answer claims of racism with "no, we aren't, your definition is ******ed".the literal definition in the dictionary varies significantly with different dictionaries.read the Cambridge one accurately
You specifically said that the logical result of the tier ranking would be to stop wasting money on the education of African Americans, etc. That would obviously harm them.
lucky for us judgement is settled externally to your internal ethos so it doesn’t really matter what your intent is only how others perceive it
And everyone here sees you as a racist
lol we are at the "if someone says he dislikes your tweet then it's a crime to write it" level of liberalism I see.
I do expect everyone who uses your definition of racism to consider me racist.
I don't think people who use my definition consider me racist.
not that I think even actual racism is particularly bad (unless it becomes violent), it's only a minor character flaw anyway and far less important than most other character traits.
i am not part of the liberal religion I don't think there is anything sacred in anti racism and so on.
being innumerate is worse than being mildly racist for example for me.
You specifically said that the logical result of the tier ranking would be to stop wasting money on the education of African Americans, etc. That would obviously harm them.
no it wouldn't necessarily?
let's go hypothetical and I answer only because you insist bringing the topic up.
you don't even need any racial underpinning to that btw. imagine a single ethnicity country that simply gave up on low IQ people learning complex abstract stuff because THEY CAN'T (like Germany and Italy do) with different high schools for the smart people and for the rest.
the smart ppl high school is selective, you can get kicked away if you don't have decent grades, and prepares you to college; the other set of high schools immediately give you some manual skill useful in the economy and is far less heavy on the abstract knowledge content.
Like you start repairing simple engines at 16 in schools, installing AC, cooking, welding, whatever is useful for the economy.
in Italy it actually started in middle school until the 70s.
with a blue collar track existing people with lower IQ could still get useful practical knowledge through education and go earn money afterwards.
with the insane shoveling of extra money for no improvement in outcomes, or even worse with the washing down of school curricula because it's "non inclusive" otherwise, you are actively hurting the population you purportedly try to help.
