Is it really bad etiquette to seat behind maniac/whale?
Ok I'm like a newbie in PLO so I play nitty mostly.
But sometimes there are obvious maniac/whales that is free money, I would switch seats behind them especially if they were directly behind me.
Then a reg would say stuff like I'm a pro bum hunter. Alerting the fish he's a fish.
Is it really bad etiquette to seat behind maniac/whale? I mean I see others do the same but nobody say anything. They would play it off for luck or such.
Maybe you’re just not being discrete enough because I’ve never been hassled for switching seats, and I actually do it quite often because there are certain seats I just don’t like sitting in for comfort reasons.
But honestly on the rare times I do switch seats for position, if I was asked I would just say “nah, I just wasn’t getting anything in that seat” and I doubt anyone would press you further than that.
It is bad etiquette to move to a seat that has been open for a while when a whale sits down next to it. It potentially makes the whale self-conscious. That makes it more likely the whale will be less "whale-like" or even leave the table.
It's not "bad etiquette." Who cares? If they do care, why do you care? It's poker. Get every advantage you can. Try to be discreet about it and don't chase someone around the table, but moving to a good seat is part of the game -- just like table selection.
It is bad etiquette to move to a seat that has been open for a while when a whale sits down next to it. It potentially makes the whale self-conscious. That makes it more likely the whale will be less "whale-like" or even leave the table.
I disagree with this. Sit wherever the hell you want without apology.
It is bad etiquette to move to a seat that has been open for a while when a whale sits down next to it. It potentially makes the whale self-conscious. That makes it more likely the whale will be less "whale-like" or even leave the table.
It can be perceived as bad etiquette if they are aware enough to know what you're doing.
They might choose to change seats later or quit the game
I used to sometimes play a very Loose aggressive style and sometimes punt off a lot of buy-ins. Then some pro would want to sit on my left, and I would sometimes leave the table, or I wanted to beat that player and would never give them action after that.
It can affect the friendly vibe of the game for sure, as a downside to doing it.
I see fish making that as a complaint from time to time.
There are upsides and downsides. If you don't take the seat, some complete nit could come over there and take the seat, as a possible downside. A bum hunter from a different table sees this guy and comes over to your table and gets the best seat at the table, for example.
Ok I'm like a newbie in PLO so I play nitty mostly. But sometimes there are obvious maniac/whales that is free money, I would switch seats behind them especially if they were directly behind me.Then a reg would say stuff like I'm a pro bum hunter. Alerting the fish he's a fish.Is it really bad etiquette to seat behind maniac/whale? I mean I see others do the same but nobody
"Then a reg would say stuff like I'm a pro bum hunter. Alerting the fish he's a fish."
Low IQ behavior by the reg. As long as you're not changing seats more than one time, they shouldn't be saying anything about it.
Occasionally people will make a comment, just ignore it. This guy probably subconsciously (not even being self-aware or knowing how he acquired said values) trying to subject his values on to you. He might very well want that seat also but he's afraid to take it. He's trying to be consistent with this identity he's created around his self-view. This is an egotistical type of a mindless reactive individual. He's realizing he costed himself money (and now he's angry you're rate just surpassed his), as a possible example. Just ignore this poor mindless little person. Maybe he saw a video on or read a post or something.
Don't engage conversation with him. He possibly wants a reaction, (as an example, so he has proof that he exists).
Common excuses actual recreational players use to change seats are that they like this seat better, "I like the 7 seat" or "I don't like sitting in the middle" or that they can see better, or that they are running bad in one of those seats.
These are acceptable excuses if someone asks you why and you want to reply with a "fishy approved" excuse.
I’ll add to whatever everyone else has said that it seems like you play in juicy, semi-private (Asian only?) home game, in which case etiquette is going to matter a lot more.
I don’t love seat hopping in general, but in a traditionally spread casino game, it’s kind of a “all is fair in love and cards” type deal.
Even from a purely selfish standpoint, I don’t think it’s beneficial for you to be annoying people in this game. You are the envy of live bumhunters across the globe, don’t blow it for yourself.
Unless I have you confused with a different LLSNL poster. I’ll be honest I get all you compound names that begin with a D confused.
I'll add to whatever everyone else has said that it seems like you play in juicy, semi-private (Asian only) home game, in which case etiquette is going to matter a lot more.
This isn't the same game as the all asian home game that game plays hold'em only.
The all asian home game is juicy AF that no seat changed is required.
This plo game is filled with regs, some fishy some aggro that I probably don't have much edge on. Maniacs/whales are the easy spots at the table. They're super obvious as well. Imho, usually I'm the spot at the table. lol
Don’t you want to sit to the right of the maniac anyways?
This. More this.
It has long been taken as a given that a player should want to sit to the right of an aggressive player or whale. While this is true because chips generally do migrate to the left on a table, it misses the why.
In general, position matters so being to the left of the players generally providing action matters. However sometimes a player plays so loose or aggressively that it reverses. Being on their RIGHT often means you are the last to act. Theyare going to raise so much that everyone after you will have to decisively act before you do. Having an overly aggressive/loose player on your left means you can limp with a wide range and see what everyone else does before acting decisively. You can either just call or raise a ridiculous amount to steal lots of calls.
In a private game there are different etiquette expectations, and this type of thing could lead to you not getting invited back.
In a public game it can also be construed as rude to seat change for position on a fish. People are going to have different opinions about this subject, but IMO in a public game the key is just not to make the fish feel "chased."
Like if you seat change one time to get a better position, you can typically play it off as wanting a better view of the TV or whatever.
Now if you seat change to someone's left, they look uncomfortable and ask for a table change, and then you "follow" them by asking to table change to their new table. At that point it seems pretty obvious that this would be extremely rude and not socially acceptable.
In between these two extremes there will be a ton of grey areas, and what different people view as acceptable or rude will vary depending on the individual.
I personally like to sit across from a maniac. Enough to have some action squeezed between the two of you without being the poor bloke who has to act directly before them constantly. In other words you’re not constantly out of relative or absolute position to them.
It also keeps you out of each other’s way in all the blind stealing configs. Basically you only run into each other either when your range is very strong (because you VPIPed MP-) or they’re playing like 3 times as wide as they’re supposed to (because their ranges are gonna be most whack in the EP configs).
A lot also depends on the straddling situation.
I've actually started sitting across or a few seats to the left from our maniac, and I really like it. He straddles almost every hand, so I can easily just fold my SB and BB, I have position on him when he's in the blinds and can't straddle (and he knows what it means to be OOP to everyone, which helps). Plus, I can see him, which I like for certain reads.
You want to be left of the whale but to the right of a maniac.
In a private game there are different etiquette expectations, and this type of thing could lead to you not getting invited back.In a public game it can also be construed as rude to seat change for position on a fish. People are going to have different opinions about this subject, but IMO in a public game the key is just not to make the fish feel "chased."Like if you seat change
so much this, to the point that when playing a 1/3 game where one player straddled to $100 every hand, i opted not to change seats despite that both seats on either side of him were open
he was a high roller who came into town to sports bet heavy and donk away meaningless amounts to his net worth at the tables while watching the game
he enjoyed seeing a flop with his random hand and cracking the premiums which were calling and raising him
i felt like if i were to seat change in that spot, it'd be a little too on the nose and he'd no longer find enjoyment in the matter so i stayed where i was and casually made about 1.5k off him despite not having the optimal seat to his immediate right
whenever i do seat change, it's always for stated fabricated reasons of superstition or wanting a better angle to view the tv etc - and i only do it in rare occasions and when i can do it plausibly without targeting the villain
so much this, to the point that when playing a 1/3 game where one player straddled to $100 every hand, i opted not to change seats despite that both seats on either side of him were openhe was a high roller who came into town to sports bet heavy and donk away meaningless amounts to his net worth at the tables while watching the gamehe enjoyed seeing a flop with his random hand
I think I would prefer to be to the right of this guy. Definitely not to the left. You want to know if other people are strong before putting in the money. To the left would only be really good when you were the button. Across the table is also fine, as you discovered.
If you do it, lie about it. “Seat five is lucky”. “Not getting cards here.”
It’s bad for the game as a whole to run off whales.
It’s also good for you to learn how to play in different positions
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Interesting, I’m not following. I always thought it was the opposite and that you want the nits behind you. What are some advantages of having a maniac behind you?
Interesting, I’m not following. I always thought it was the opposite and that you want the nits behind you. What are some advantages of having a maniac behind you?
You know they're going to raise, so you can limp or check or whatever. Then when they put in a bunch of money you get to see how all the other players respond before you have to act. In this case their aggression is so predictable we're more concerned about gathering information from the rest of the table.
Ex 2/5 game: You limp UTG with JJ, maniac UTG+1 makes it $100, now you get to see what everyone else does before you commit any real money.
Maniac is going to be in bunch of raised hands. You need to call and raise lighter. But if you are too maniac left, you don’t know the strength of the hands of players behind you.
If you are to maniac right, you can limp, allow maniac to raise, then you see how every one else responded to maniac raise.
The idea is the maniac acting after your limp doesn’t tell you much but you acting after everyone else subsequent to his raise is very valuable.
Interesting, I’m not following. I always thought it was the opposite and that you want the nits behind you. What are some advantages of having a maniac behind you?
Several years ago I was a reg in a 20-40 NL underground game in DC. Straddles optional UTG. Blind raise allowed any position. We had a regular maniac who blind raised to 500 every time he had the button and always bought/rebought to cover the table.
He lost over a million in the game over a 3 year period.
Where do you want to sit?
