Do you go south when you're OOP vs a fish?
Let's say you're playing online vs 5 fish. 2 are 50bb deep, 2 are 100bb deep, and you are 300bb deep with a fish who has
Are you absolutely sure you can go south at any time on the same table? It's been awhile since I played on ignition and would do this at the zoom tables since i dont want to play deep vs unknowns but I feel confident you couldnt do this in regular ring games.
Are you absolutely sure you can go south at any time on the same table? It's been awhile since I played on ignition and would do this at the zoom tables since i dont want to play deep vs unknowns but I feel confident you couldnt do this in regular ring games.
How much do you want to bet? Serious offer.
Bro im not challenging you lol, was just making sure we're all on the same page.
Why is playing against a fish OOP a disadvantage and why is it because you're playing OOP?
If there’s anything I’m confused about I think I’m most confused about why you’re bothered by it. There’s nothing that you’ve described in particular that would explain why you’re at such a disadvantage, at least in this specific situation, against the fish.
If you’re worried about losing money in the BB, tighten up your range OOP. Stop piling money into the pot. That’s as simple theory as simple gets.
It sounds as you have bigger fish to fry, my friend. And welcome to uncapped poker. That’s the game, get used to it.
If there’s anything I’m confused about I think I’m most confused about why you’re bothered by it. There’s nothing that you’ve described in particular that would explain why you’re at such a disadvantage, at least in this specific situation, against the fish.If you’re worried about losing money in the BB, tighten up your range OOP. Stop piling money into the pot. That’s as simpl
Just to be clear, your contention is that playing 300bb OOP is not a disadvantage compared to playing 100bb OOP?
I'll tell you this. Maybe I'll be only one in this thread to call you out on this, but it seems like you're voicing an opinion that's expressing your fear of facing aggression from fish while playing deep out of position more than anything theory related besides mentioning something about an uncapped game.
With that rationale maybe you'd be able to see that the advantages of playing against people who are weaker than you outweighs the disadvantage of spending unnecessary brain power crying about useless **** like the rake structure, when you have one seat in a 6 max table and the 5 other seats are fish, which means that they are losing players. What, you gonna tell me that that's not your definition of a fish now?
I could do that too. I could say "I hate playing against fish who 3 bet the button when I open in the CO" or "I hate when a fish opens the BTN to 4x pre when I'm OOP". What's that got to do with an uncapped rake structure, or playing deep OOP, or anything for that matter? It doesn't. See my point?
I'll tell you this. Maybe I'll be only one in this thread to call you out on this, but it seems like you're voicing an opinion that's expressing your fear of facing aggression from fish while playing deep out of position more than anything theory related besides mentioning something about an uncapped game.With that rationale maybe you'd be able to see that the advantages of pla
You didn't answer my question. Do you understand the simple concept that playing 300bb OOP is a disadvantage compared to playing 100bb OOP? If you don't understand this concept, I can direct you to beginner resources. But I need a yes or no answer before we continue this discussion.
My answer is you’re the fish and you think everyone else is. Mental game fish for sure, but we’ve already established that
My answer is you’re the fish and you think everyone else is. Mental game fish for sure, but we’ve already established that
Bye loser. It's now clear why you were so "confused" by my question. You didn't understand its most basic implications. My natural instinct is help people when they are confused. But when a person shows both ignorance and contempt, my preferred solution is to block.
Good riddance. I should block you so I don’t have to read stupid shitty posts like this one anymore.
One or both of you need to learn to avoid the temptation to escalate, and it's not a particularly difficult thing to decide not to take the bait.
Well to be fair @Stumeister makes some good points that I think a lot of poker players fall into. I see myself wanting to fall into the trap as well and I have to discipline myself not to do it
We see a seat open to the left of the fish with the big stack and we're sitting on his right. It's very tempting to seat hop over there or in the situation of this thread even potentially come back to the same seat with only 100bb
The problem this sets up and the problem poker itself sets up if you take it too far is you develop a poor mindset of always searching for "the most +EV" situation for yourself. The problem with this is life is going to give you tons of situations that will clearly not be the most +EV situation in the moment for you and if you don't learn how to deal with that it won't serve you very well in life
The need to always have the advantage if it's possible to get it will set you up really poorly for a life outside poker where you will become miserable always strategizing how you can get the advantage on every situation. If you're super socially adept you can pull this off in life but it comes at the cost of having no real ability to relax and be yourself in situations as you will always be trying to manipulate and manufacture the best outcome for yourself. And inevitably when life hands you circumstances you can't manipulate and control you will be completely ill equipped mentally and emotionally to handle them
Like I said, I have to discipline myself not to seat hop etc bc I see the opportunity for immediate EV etc but it's the same issue with always needing instant gratification in life and being upset when you don't get it. You set yourself up poorly to handle the swings of life and the situations that will inevitably go against you and are beyond your control
I personally prefer to use poker as a tool to improve myself as a person and to be able to handle to hardships of life rather than use it as a method to try to suck the most money out of the game so I can then be rich and miserable in real life bc I can't handle when things don't go 100% my way
Being IP deep vs a tight fish isn't very valuable.
Being oop deep against a lag fish could easily be - ev.
The opposites are obv very valuable. Seat changes may be seen as predatory but whatever.
Not regressing to teenage shouting matches on 2+2 isn't worth much in terms of ev but not all good can be measured in money.
The problem this sets up and the problem poker itself sets up if you take it too far is you develop a poor mindset of always searching for "the most +EV" situation for yourself. The problem with this is life is going to give you tons of situations that will clearly not be the most +EV situation in the moment for you and if you don't learn how to deal with that it won't serve y
This is a very fair point. But this it not at all what Stumeister was saying. He said:
There’s nothing that you’ve described in particular that would explain why you’re at such a disadvantage, at least in this specific situation, against the fish.
Then I responded:
Just to be clear, your contention is that playing 300bb OOP is not a disadvantage compared to playing 100bb OOP?
And then instead of answering my question, he baselessly and ignorantly speculated:
...it seems like you're voicing an opinion that's expressing your fear of facing aggression from fish while playing deep out of position more than anything theory related ... My answer is you’re the fish and you think everyone else is. Mental game fish for sure, but we’ve already established that.
This is a mental weakness of mine. But I do find it triggering when somebody who doesn't understand the topic being discussed accuses me of mental weakness and being a fish. It would be more mature for me to simply ignore him rather than insult then ignore.
Well done for talking up how you could have tried to be the bigger man but then get the last word in, I guess