Forward Motion rule 3 ways with a dry side pot

Forward Motion rule 3 ways with a dry side pot

I was in a hand 3 ways (PLO).

CO raises 30 preflop, I call button, BB calls.

Flop was 6c 7c 9d

BB checks, CO bets 100 I call, BB raises pot, CO is all in for 800, it's on me. BB has about 2K to start the hand. I had Ac8c5xx (straight and a nut flush draw)

I'm thinking about it and I'm considering calling. I have my chips in my hand, and I push my hand forward, and the dealer immediately says, "forward motion". So, I pushed my chips out (I called). And BB can't 4 bets because the raise all in wasn't over 1/2 of the pot.

I've never had anyone call me out on that before actually. I feel like I've been doing this quite a bit in the past but I'm not totally sure.

Is that real? I was just pretty fine with getting it all in that spot (wasn't a good idea in retrospect).

13 September 2025 at 09:54 AM
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Why are you moving chips forward if you're not sure you're going to commit?


When you're facing a bet, pushing chips forward commits you to calling or raising. Exactly how far forward the chips have to go before it is classified as "forward motion" can be tough to judge, so I guess the dealer was pointing out that they felt you reached that point. The dealer saying it out loud suggests that you or other people at the table had been sloppy about going forward then changing their minds and this was attempt to lock things down a bit.

Any time you do something that is open for interpretation, you're setting yourself up for a random ruling. If you get into the habit of never pushing anything forward until you've decided your action, then either declaring the amount first or pushing in the exact amount, you'll be able to play anywhere in the world without worrying about misunderstandings or running into strict house rules.


I don't even know what the question is.

Is "forward motion" a real rule?
Yes, it is a very common and well-known rule.

Is "forward motion" a real thing that dealers say when a player makes forward motion?
No, because the player typically releases in a timely manner. You are best positioned to tell us why the dealer said this.

by Kripalu1

And BB can't 4 bets because the raise all in wasn't over 1/2 of the pot.

??


by Reducto

When you're facing a bet, pushing chips forward commits you to calling or raising. Exactly how far forward the chips have to go before it is classified as "forward motion" can be tough to judge, so I guess the dealer was pointing out that they felt you reached that point. The dealer saying it out loud suggests that you or other people at the table had been sloppy about going fo

I had the chips in my hand and yes, I was considering putting them out there. It was probably a subconscious body language thing going on there.; I didn't actually push my chips forward. I was holding my chips out as if I was considering a call or a fold. I don't think that's a lesson I'll soon forget as that was a pretty expensive call.

I've been doing it a lot preflop, but no one mentioned it yet when I was thinking about calling or folding preflop. That's probably where I developed the habit.


Folks are probably wondering how you could have been holding your chips out without having moved them forward. Unless you were holding them where you picked them up, then you moved them forward, but we don't describe the act of holding chips over the spot where we picked them up as "holding them out".


by albedoa

Folks are probably wondering how you could have been holding your chips out without having moved them forward. Unless you were holding them where you picked them up, then you moved them forward, but we don't describe the act of holding chips over the spot where we picked them up as "holding them out".

I was holding the chips, and moved my hand forward, because i was thinking about calling. I thought I needed to put the chips into the pot for it to be a call. Dealer says, "forward motion" I asked, "is that binding" and he says "yes", so I then dropped the chips on the table and called the bet.

Maybe it's not enforced at other places, I haven't seen this happen before.


Those tables with the LINE is usually the boundary.


by backstairs

Those tables with the LINE is usually the boundary.

Sometimes, yes. Usually, no.


by Didace

Sometimes, yes. Usually, no.

Doesn’t realize he is describing a hard betting line rule and not a forward motion room.


by Fore

Doesn’t realize he is describing a hard betting line rule and not a forward motion room.

There wasn't a line on the table at all with this particular situation.


by Kripalu1

There wasn't a line on the table at all with this particular situation.

Read the post Didace responded to and spend 5 min researching that poster.

Also can check out the many posts on the angles such as hard betting line allows.


by Fore

Read the post Didace responded to and spend 5 min researching that poster.

Also can check out the many posts on the angles such as hard betting line allows.

yea, over the line counts as over


Another way to title this post: "I didn't verbalize my intentions and others are trying to punish me for it." OP's situation doesn't happen if s/he states what they want to do before moving chips.


by backstairs

yea, over the line counts as over

It's not the boundary that makes it a bet or a call in those rooms, it's the forward motion. We are begging you to find google or the forum search.


by albedoa

It's not the boundary that makes it a bet or a call in those rooms, it's the forward motion. We are begging you to find google or the forum search.

beggers believe


by backstairs

yea, over the line counts as over

Hard betting lines are rare in casinos these days. They used to be more common but forward motion is the standard in most rooms. I’m not saying there aren’t rooms out there using the hard line rule, but it’s not the norm.

Please tell me you’re a troll though. You have quite an impressive record of being wrong on this forum about pretty much everything. Even a stopped clock has a better accuracy record than you. You have to be doing it on purpose, no?


by stremba70

Hard betting lines are rare in casinos these days. They used to be more common but forward motion is the standard in most rooms. I’m not saying there aren’t rooms out there using the hard line rule, but it’s not the norm.Please tell me you’re a troll though. You have quite an impressive record of being wrong on this forum about pretty much everything. Even a stopped clock has a

Already shared my opinions on this poster. Not only is he wrong, when it is objectively shown he is wrong, he justs digs in and then tries to claim he was proven correct. He has been given chances by and then called out by at least 4 excellent, respected posters with zero impact on his style or accuracy. One thing we know now is he has zero desire to learn.

In this particular case, he believes what he has seen and expresses about a completely different rule (hard betting line) applies to a room using a different one (forward motion).

I play in multiple rooms with a betting line but not a hard betting line. I am sure they exist but personally I can’t name one casino still using a hard betting line. Ofc most forward motion rooms have some flex in their rules as well.


backstairs has acquired a little bit of knowledge and think he's an expert. When he finally realizes he doesn't know squat, he will begin to truly learn.


by Fore

I play in multiple rooms with a betting line but not a hard betting line. I am sure they exist but personally I can’t name one casino still using a hard betting line.

Fortune poker room in Renton, WA


by Always Fondling

Fortune poker room in Renton, WA

Literally might be the farthest room from me in the lower 48. WA is one of the states I have never been to. So no surprise I don’t know their status but their probably are some closer.


by stremba70

Hard betting lines are rare in casinos these days. They used to be more common but forward motion is the standard in most rooms. I’m not saying there aren’t rooms out there using the hard line rule, but it’s not the norm.Please tell me you’re a troll though. You have quite an impressive record of being wrong on this forum about pretty much everything. Even a stopped clock has a

Not a troll at all. And I appear to be doing better than you and a stopped clock put together in terms of accuracy.


by backstairs

Not a troll at all. And I appear to be doing better than you and a stopped clock put together in terms of accuracy.

How do? What exactly have you gotten right in all these threads you have posted on?


by stremba70

How do? What exactly have you gotten right in all these threads you have posted on?

How do to you too


by stremba70

How do? What exactly have you gotten right in all these threads you have posted on?

He truly believes he has been correct. This is from another thread where he references a 3rd thread. (One I suspect you have seen). ...

"Putting your cards face up and therefore in view of the camera in the sky is never a bad thing in this situation. Someone is all in after all and the betting is finished. I made some good points about this in another thread and everyone pretty much agreed with me."

He still doesn't get the 'on the felt' part of tabling.

Still hung up on the gotta or should table all in's in cash games (including him demanding players do it). He doesn't grasp I was NOT referring to tabling before run out but after runout at showdown (where we (almost) all agree just table or muck so we can move on to next hand.) I don't think he realizes these are different positions.

What good points? Where?

Everyone agreeing with him literally made me literally LOL (scared my cat even).

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