[extracted] New(?) 9-11 stuff

I am not following the saga of this guy at all. But even knowing nothing, I can see the glaring errors in your mental reasoning. If he hadn't done it and you were framing him for it as a rationale to initiate 2 major wars, this would be a reason to execute him; not have him sit in jail indefinitely.

Looking at the logic of your posts in this thread and the Israel-Palestine thread is like when you are helping a little kid on their math homework. You can look at the problem and look at their answer and it is glaringly obvious something went wrong along the way, before you even dig in and see exactly where things went wrong.

Same thing with your posting.

I'd venture a guess that they just isn't any real upside to building a formal case. They aint going to risk classified information on a trial, or risk national security, create propaganda over one guy when they can continue to use him for leverage in any way they see fit, gain further information in any way, just all around flexibility without the legal risks.

And the US isn't going to keep him alive out of the kindness of their hearts because Bush and Co sent up Billy to fly the planes and that they would feel bad doing it. They also wouldn't do it because they feel he "deserves" death. He is a tool in any way possible for a slong as possible.

I think I've highlighted your problem. If you don't know and aren't curious as to why the greatest mass murderer in American history got to make a plea deal for his life then you don't really need to be discussing this issue. You should just be asking questions and trying to get informed on the topic.

They have definitely built a case but it is definitely not strong. The upside would be bringing justice to the families of the 3000 victims while also validating the narrative used to launch never ending war against the tactic of terrorism itself. The upside is huge.

Imagine being someone who actually believed KSM killed your family member. How incensed would you feel after all these years without getting justice? Luckily, most of the family members don't buy into all the BS government story telling on this. They've had reason to actually look into it and most of them don't believe KSM did this.

He's right though Deuces. Killing him off would've made a lot more sense.

Maybe, but I think you may know more than most that the US isn't going to operate solely based on delivering emotional closure to the victims families. They aren't in that business. It's probably for intelligence, and definitely for some reasons that we won't ever learn about.

Maybe killing him isn't feasible. You can't just kill anyone anywhere. It is a military prison. Remember that most people are just doing their job as they are told and not involved in any covert antics. and cannot just be converted into doing so on a whim. He has lawyers who are obviously giving him a rigorous defense. Maybe he has other protections.

Right now pretty much everyone believes he did it. That's mainly what they want. They haven't even really had to frame him. They just asserted he did it and they were believed totally. Consider that none of you here, who call me an insane idiot for not believing AQ did 9/11, have ever critically examined the evidence that they did it. They said AQ was talking a lot before 9/11 and you were sold. You didn't need convincing and you are like 1000 times more politically engaged than the average citizen. Were they to murder him that would be taking a risk. It would be hard to pull off undetected probably, maybe would include killing innocent personnel working down there.

If he did it he would be dead by now. They would have put him on trial, found him guilty, and killed him. It's only if he didn't do it that there are scenarios where he is still alive. There are reasonable sounding scenarios where he didn't do it and gets killed in custody, but he is alive.

After 9/11, OBL lived 9 years hiding in caves in Pakistan; where he published a manifesto explaining the motives for his actions, and later did a video interview disseminated by Al Jazeera more explicitly laying out the motives for 9/11, and more generally the war against the US.

At any point in that 9 year period he could have called up Al Jazeera, stated he didn't do it, and they would have published it. So in your worldview OBL and Al Qaida itself were in on it, because apparently they all wanted to live the rest of their short lives in caves in Pakistan being hunted down and killed by US special forces for something they didn't even do.

Because despite all their words and actions to the contrary, they actually really wanted the US to have pretense to invade and start a bunch of wars in the Middle East.

Your entire worldview is so low IQ, it is hard to wrap my mind around someone having the ability to type out the words you are typing, yet have no capacity to take any of your thoughts to its logical conclusion.

OBL has both taken credit for it and denied doing it. When they raided his compound and took all his papers and hard drives, they expected to find evidence of the planning of the attacks. I expected they would find nothing of the sort. They found nothing of the sort.

You've coming into the discussion making very ambitious inferences based on very low information, commenting on people's IQs and talking about antisemitism apropos of nothing. If you want to ask questions I will be happy to answer them the best I can and I think that is the most I can do for you.

Speaking of amateur hour, it seems one Tucker Carlson taken in interest in 9/11 truth. It might please some of you to know that it was excruciating to watch his interview with Hasan and not being able to jump with corrections and retorts. What might not please you is someone with that much influence taking an interest in the topic and dragging you that much closer to facing your fears that you are totally wrong and, your great fear, that the state has lied to you and betrayed you. Because when a majority of people and institutions begin to acknowledge the lie of the official story, you will as well, like iron filings to a magnet you have no choice.

Looks like a 5 episode docu series. Carlson at least seems to have an understanding that we don't know what happened and it is not on individuals to figure out what did happen.

Tucker is just adding all of these little traits to the character he plays so he can continue to appeal to the audience he's after.

Yeah he is exploiting the truth gap between what we are told and what obviously is in order to get attention. Trump does that too. That's one reason the state shouldn't carry out massive deceptions on the public. Those deceptions can be exploited and weaponized.

As a heuristic, I would say that any political topic where Tucker Carlson and Deuces are aligned, I would be worried if I wasn’t in the opposite side.

So glad to hear you think he is saying something valuable, so I know it is garbage without having to waste my time.

The dude owns/owned(prob still owns) a house right next door to the bush fam and ate at their house every weekend for years. He's also tight with hunter etcetc. Meanwhile in interviews he'll try to pretend all these dc people/journalists all know one another but somehow he was blissfully unaware and never had any connections and really didn't even know that happened! lol He's a flat out liar with zero scruples.

You forgot His father worked for the CIA and he applied to the CIA and was “turned down.” Do with that information as you will.

I was actually listening to a recent podcast of his where him and his guest were talking about “pizzagate” and the “satanic pedophile prostitution and art scene” supposedly going on in DC.

And apparently we are supposed to believe he lived in DC the entire time while this was going on as a journalist; and he had no clue any of it was going on until he moved, and then he discovered it was all going on.

I am more inclined to believe the whole Podesta pizzagate/satan ring conspiracy theory stuff is bullshit, which is why Tucker never knew anything about it the 20 years he lived there. And now he is “reporting” on it in complete bad faith, same as his born again 9/11 takes.

But that is just me.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/osama-bin-laden-documents-60-minutes-2022-04-24/

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Exposing al Qaeda

Sorry, but doesn’t this show that they did find information that confirmed Osama’s involvement in 9/11, and also showed that he had other plans for attacking the US in a similar style to 9/11?

I guess if you are really motivated you can twist this into a failure to confirm his involvement in 9/11 but it doesn’t seem like a credible story.

I agree he is trash in every sense of the word. It's unfortunate that only people outside of the mainstream can even discuss the topics most Americans are most interested in. Now that Tucker is exiled from FOX he is free to fill the demand.

There are already copies of Tucker's entire 9-11 conspiritard documentary floating around the inter webs, but he just released Part 1 to the official public today. And I am not sure if he gets to it in Part 1, but from clips I have seen the overall theme of the documentary is that Israel is implicated in 9-11; with the proof being allegations of Israeli art students who were secretly intelligence and knew about 9-11 ahead of time, and the "dancing Israelis" (2 conspiracy theories that were investigated by the FBI and debunked, unless of course you believe the FBI was in on it and it is a cover-up)

Anyways, on the same day he released this documentary, he went on his podcast to tell us all that he is just a straight shooter calling it like he sees it, and actual antisemites that obsess non stop over Jews and Israel are mentally ill. Which is ironic coming from him, as I cant remember the last time he talked about anything without it coming back to a critique of Israel and/or Jews.

the gov't ****ed up their case by illegally torturing the **** out of him. What's your explanation?

He simultaneously believes “the govt” is powerful and ruthless enough to pull of 9-11 and frame Al Qaeda, but doesn’t have the wherewithal to get a conviction.

It is not a particularly coherent worldview.

But it's the essence of conspiracy theories.

A potential critique of Israeli agents. Not Israel or Jews as a whole, but you’re obviously trolling and you’re not convincing anyone. The whole world is waking up and they are shattering the neocon troll establishment.

You don't get a free pass to kill 3,000 rich white people because the government used what they call "enhanced interrogation" on you. He's not a U.S. citizen. Are you really saying the government needs a confession to prosecute this guy? They raided OBLs compound. They have all OBLs papers and hard drives.

Do you think OBL went around hiding evidence? Do you think OBL was screaming at people for not password protecting their computers because if he gets caught the feds will have nothing on him and be forced to let him walk?

They can possibly even trace back a lot of coms they couldn't initially match up. It figures they know a ton of what was said to who going back decades. There should be all kinds of people they have detained who can be witnesses against him. Of course, that's only true IF he did it. And, like I said, IF he did it he would have been executed a long time ago. The most ambitious moonshot in the history of terrorism - pulled off - but no evidence the accused actually did it. That is an unlikely story Trolly, extremely unlikely, like more unlikely even than dropping 3 skyscrapers with 2 planes like they were elaborate domino sets.