The murder of Charlie Kirk
Can we all admit that the majority of extremism is coming from the left over the last handful of years?
Apparently they j
Can we all admit that the majority of extremism is coming from the left over the last handful of years?
Apparently they just shot Charlie Kirk. Just seems like a trend we see on here. People craft a hysterical narrative. People who are mentally unstable, unbalanced, and worse run with it. Step three is "punching a nazi" or killing baby Hitler is justified. Here we are
Ya but prove that MAGA is actually a proponent of political violence
This is one of the funnier threads in awhile... ty. That sucks about Kirk even though he's a POS human...
This sort of tendentious and often contentless style is the sole reason I ultimately ended up leaving the left back in the late 2000s. I was reading an article in "The Nation" that used the ridiculous neologism "black bodies" — a bizarre fad among leftist writers that had spread like a Malibu fire at the time — something like a dozen times while also spraying the usual firehose of hysterical and barely parsable assertions. I asked myself, "Why tf am I reading this sht?" Closed the site. And never read another leftist publication again.
The quoted post above got 4 upvotes. There's another comment expressing similar views but in even more unhinged language in the new tax law thread that got 19 upvotes. That imo qualifies this site as a leftist echo chamber, meaning language, assertions and views that would at a minimum get sideways looks anywhere halfway normal are getting all kinds of unrepresentative positive feedback here.
I'm not too political, hardly follow it at all. I just had to verify that Vance is the vice president because I don't read the news, not even the local weather report. I voted for Trump but play golf with two guys who are never Trumpers etc. Good dudes, both successful.
But posts like this would almost certainly lose guys like that, and everyone else who doesn't have permanent foam emanating from their logorrheic mouth. Let me ask a few questions for clarification, and I would suggest trying to answer in a way that would connect with, let's say, a Democrat-voting volunteer at the library:
This is one of the funnier threads in awhile... ty. That sucks about Kirk even though he's a POS human.
We're using the hardcore convict term POS, which heavily implies someone is either a traitor, chomo or SA enthusiast. What, in your view made that epithet appropriate in Mr. Kirk's case?
Historically, extremist shooters are white, male, conservatives.
Let's define "extremist" as anyone who is either by the preponderance of the evidence racially or politically motivated. You list the first 30 such incidents that fit your description. Then I'll list try to list 30 that don't.
Since you're stating that is historically and categorically what they are — not even attempting to probabilistically couch it — you should easily fill your list while I should struggle to find even a single example for mine.
Usually the extremist from the left are people doing outrageous acts to protect vulnerable groups, or chaining themselves to save a tree.
Or burning down police stations, or shutting down highways at 12am and getting tossed into the air like wayward fawns by drivers that never saw them, or burning down entire city blocks, or intimidating juries, or rioting in solidarity with savage criminals, ad infinitum. Providing book-length lists of such examples is child's play.
But yes, you'll probably see more of this from the left, because of the current political bullying of the right
Can you give an example?
and their fascist goals
Such as?
You're going to see push back when you corner communities, attack their cities
I find this unparsable. Could you clarify exactly what you mean in clear terms?
... did you expect them to just lay down and take it? ?
Again, the meaning of this statement is unclear. Take what?
There’s a video online showing that Charlie was probably wearing body armor (thin plate) under his t shirt. Hit the top part and deflected upwards into his neck. Why no exit wound through back of neck. Also why entry wound was so visible, usually hard to see entry. Was a good break down.It’s not as hard of a shot as most make it out to be. Not sure on distance. Have hear
It's not hard to hit a "head" sized object at that distance but it's a bit harder to put it exactly where you want it, especially under stressful conditions/limited time etc. ~400ft in a straight line is gonna be longer when you're shooting from an elevated spot--and that's definitely enough to have the bullet land a few inches from where you wanted if you're not used to accounting for those things.
This was clipped. The first thing he said in this press conference was that we have a “radical left group of lunatics and we have to get that solved”
Reminder we still don’t have the identity of the shooter
Sadly there will be folks here that think it was a good thing . I remember folks here sad that the bullet missed Trump
When someone gets killed the emotions to follow are based on an evaluation of that person and what they mean to you, not anguish about the law being broken. Do you see parents in Gaza weeping about laws when their child's head is blown off by some scumbag Israeli sniper? When MLK got killed people were upset because of the individual who was killed, not the state of politics or whether laws are being obeyed.
Charlie Kirk is no exception. It's what he meant to you which makes you feel one way or another. To me he was an extremely hateful bigot who was backed up with capitalist money from God knows where, giving his hatred an ultra megaphone in this world where how much money you have determines the volume on your "free" speech. The only reason I don't celebrate his death is that there are thousands and thousands of mediocre hacks who the Kock brothers or whoever can install to take his place.
When oh when will this epidemic of white on white crime ever end? Where is the outrage by white community leaders and the meeeedia???!!! 😮
It's the white fathers not being in the home. In many of these cases the father is still technically married but he spends most of his time outside the home at bars or engaged in fantasy sports because the mothers are exposed to toxic feminism on social media and only want to serve soy for dinner or refuse to cook dinner. So really it's the white mothers fault.
This sort of tendentious and often contentless style is the sole reason I ultimately ended up leaving the left back in the late 2000s. I was reading an article in "The Nation" that used the ridiculous neologism "black bodies" - a bizarre fad among leftist writers that had spread like a Malibu fire at the time - something like a dozen times while also spraying the usual firehos
Pretends to be intellectually above it all and immediately plays dumb like a child trying to be clever
Quality, you will fit right in here
POS is a hardcore convict term? Dude maybe you ought to hang with some trumpers/longtime R voters occasionally. I've grown up with many conservatives--and regularly hear accountants, engineers, lawyers, nurses etcetc that sound like members of the aryan brotherhood when talking about black people lol POS is so tame it wouldn't even register or be noticed at all as something odd.
We're using the hardcore convict term POS, which heavily implies someone is either a traitor, chomo or SA enthusiast.
In the U.S., at least, calling someone a piece of **** doesn't necessarily imply that the person is a traitor, a child molester, or whatever an SA enthusiast is.
And I don't associate the term particularly with prison culture either.
This was clipped. The first thing he said in this press conference was that we have a “radical left group of lunatics and we have to get that solved”Reminder we still don’t have the identity of the shooterhttps://youtu.be/V79B_jrK37c?si=dV52LCMU...
Are you suggesting we don't have a "radical left group of lunatics" who pose a problem in search of a solution?
And isn't this a gambling site? What does Bayesian inference suggest the profile of the shooter is? The quote above is just cringe hatchlingism of the most bird-brained kind.
The comedy of this all is that MAGA is using this as the justification for an energy they’ve wanted all along
Preaching civil war and the left wants to kill you for literally as long as Twitter has been alive they just wanted a single event as justification for that energy without any facts in place as cited by evidence the dipshit who started this thread
I agree wholeheartedly that the political energy is too violent to keep on keeping on, but part of bringing it down means acknowledging your place in this and what you’ve done to elevate the temperature. The expectation is that Dems should be completely subordinate and accountable while MAGA gets to blame Dems and declare war on Dems and be outraged when ‘but what about when _______’ is thrown against them
These are deeply unserious people opportunistic buffoons insisting on deeply unserious buffoonery
Can you give an example of his "extremely hateful bigotry?"
I left the left. While I interact with plenty of D-voters, once I see a few of the diagnostic criteria for neomarxism, I withdraw all contact.
But every once in a while I like to wade back into this backwards world built on quicksand axioms and a Cologne Cathedral of logical fallacies, just to make sure my decision remains sound.
We're using the hardcore convict term POS, which heavily implies someone is either a traitor, chomo or SA enthusiast.
In the U.S., at least, calling someone a piece of **** doesn't necessarily imply that the person is a traitor, a child molester, or whatever an SA enthusiast is.
And I don't associate the term particularly with prison culture either.
In the gambling world it does imo. But fine. He can still answer the question based on whatever his interpretation of that term is, so long as it halfway reasonably conforms to real usage.
I don't think Bayes theorem has much relevance to this discussion. If you want to discuss what you think it is reasonable to infer from the available evidence, you can just use the word "inference." You don't have to add the adjective Bayesian to make it sound like you are doing some sort of nuanced mathematical calculation here (as opposed to other people who you believe are just going off feels).
In the gambling world it does imo. But fine. He can still answer the question based on whatever his interpretation of that term is, so long as it halfway reasonably conforms to real usage.
Almost all of us have been around the gambling world, many I expect for a lot longer than you. The term POS doesn't have any unique prison connotations for gamblers in my experience.
Sounds like His Honor is about to mark you down as one of them neo-Marxists.
[QUOTE=JudgeHoldem1850;59095096][QUOTE=Rococo;59095086]I don't think Bayes theorem has much relevance to this discussion. If you want to discuss what you think it is reasonable to infer from the available evidence, you can just use the word "inference." You don't have to add the adjective Bayesian to make it sound like you are doing some sort of nuanced mathematical calculati
It's not off-the-cuff inference. We're taking both subjective and objective prior probabilities then applying them to what we know of the incident, namely the frequency of prior similar events, the likely profile of those with the means, motive, opportunity etc.
I try to live by the phrase, "Never use a two-cent word when a one-cent word will do." But that must be tempered by, "Things should be as simple as possible but no simpler."
Are you suggesting we don't have a "radical left group of lunatics" who pose a problem in search of a solution
And isn't this a gambling site What does Bayesian inference suggest the profile of the shooter is The quote above is just cringe hatchlingism of the most bird-brained kind.
They’ve already released a bunch of false info so far, including that they had caught the suspect and that there was “pro-trans” messages on the bullet that was discovered.
As for bayesian reasoning, I doubt you’re applying it correctly. My priors are very low on any given shooting being a leftist, and then when I update the priors based on the situation, there’s not enough evidence here to bring it up to a high credence. So we should be above 50% on the probability, most likely, but should we be above 70%? Idk I’d have to see the math. With so little to go on we might not even be above 50% on it being a left-winger.
But can you show me the math? I could be wrong.
As a side note, there’s no gambling here, he’s the president of the US. He can wait the requisite amount of time to let the manhunt play out.
[QUOTE=JudgeHoldem1850;59095097][QUOTE=JudgeHoldem1850;59095096]It's not off-the-cuff inference. We're taking both subjective and objective prior probabilities then applying them to what we know of the incident, namely the frequency of prior similar events, the likely profile of those with the means, motive, opportunity etc. I try to live by the phrase, "Never use a two-cent
Like most people here, I understand the process of using logic to draw inferences.
I always felt like juan's thought processes were relatively easy to understand. The logic went something like this:"1. I am a good person.2. Good people don't believe abhorrent things.3. Therefore anyone who thinks one or more of my beliefs is abhorrent must be wrong or criticizing me in bad faith."In fairness to juan, a lot people at various points on the political spect
You responded to this guy without acknowledging he's one of the biggest re tards on the forum and stalks me with dishonest comments like this.
This is almost as re tarded as coordi trying to peddle the i got banned for racism again when we already went through it and I posted the dms with the mod
Posting a mainstream story of a street preacher being arrested and then the sleuths call the Twitter account that shared the video racist without proof... does not make one a white supremacist
I'm busy ill be re hard policing tomorrow
They’ve already released a bunch of false info so far, including that they had caught the suspect and that there was “pro-trans” messages on the bullet that was discovered.As for bayesian reasoning, I doubt you’re applying it correctly. My priors are very low on any given shooting being a leftist, and then when I update the priors based on the situation, there’s not enough evid
That's fair. I buy that. And also I'll backtrack a bit on just using the term inference as updating is not really relevant to the discussion here.
From memory, recent incidents (this actually starts to look more Bayesian again if we're, say, excluding pre-20xx incidents) of violence towards conservative speakers, especially on college campuses, have been 100% perpetrated by leftists. There are many such examples, including Heather MacDonald, Charles Murray, Jared Taylor. There's really no term to include that lowers that much. It can be formalized into a model. I'm not doing it.
You responded to this guy without acknowledging he's one of the biggest re tards on the forum and stalks me with dishonest comments like this.
I've disagreed with jalfrezi plenty of times. Am I supposed to repeat my disagreements in every post? I don't know or care about the history between the two of you.
I'm busy ill be re hard policing tomorrow
I'll certainly be looking forward to this.
That's fair. I buy that. And also that's a fair point on just using the term inference as updating is not really relevant to the discussion here.From memory, recent incidents (this actually starts to look more Bayesian again due to exclusion of pre-2020) of violence towards conservative speakers, especially on college campuses, have been 100% perpetrated by leftists. There a
Real quick, can we look into the violence toward left-leaning speakers and see who perpetrated those incidents? Not a question just toward you Judge, can be anyone in here.
