Don’t know what to do with JJ

Line seems ok, don’t mind check calling or bet folding. Definitely folding to the large jam.

The C/R seems like an overplay to me, even more so against two opponents; just cbet and move from there.

As played, fairly easy fold to the jam.

C/r is fine but your sizing seems way too big.

The jam is odd. Would a set really play like this? It’s very strange. Still, people usually have it when they make big bets, so I’d just fold. Maybe consider calling QQ since then we would beat JJ and wouldn’t be blocking the JT potential bluffs.

Gross spot. Difficult decision. I don't mind the check/raise given your read, but it's a bit big. Flip a coin, I guess, or go with your gut based on what you know of this guy.

Also don't mind the flop line versus this player, and could get behind a slightly smaller raise.

I would lean fold, since you didn't mention he's spewy as well as LAGgy. The best information here would be his range getting to the flop - how much QQ+ is excluded because it would 3b and how much T8/97/94s/74s type stuff is he folding BN vs CO? My instinct is saying that an even somewhat aware LAG is value heavy here and relying on reputation to get hero called.

Yeah, I’m basically just trying to figure out if x/r-fold is a legit line in spots like this. If I feel he’s betting a wide range but once he rips it in I’m done.

IMO, you shouldn't be slow playing any pairs on the flop. Your hand isn't strong enough. If you're going to give him some rope, then let it out a bit. Call the bet and check the turn.

good line and looks like our overpairs end up indifferent otf facing jam. think if u want to call some of them would very much do it linearly in case he slowplayed something pre and also i guess we want him to have a t / j in his hand some amount of the time

sizing is "wrong" as him in the sense its too big but i think people dont realize just how much button is supposed to be stabbing here despite oop (i gave sb bb range because of reads) from both players not betting. both jt and 98 are pure b25 stabs in the sim im looking at whereas hu the spot would play differently (more polar i guess)

What's your image? Do you have some sort of dynamic/metagame with this Villain? Have you seen any showdowns where Villain seemed to be overplaying made hands or willing to semibluff draws for stacks?

We are obviously in a gray area here, and we could be swayed more towards hero folding or hero calling depending on certain factors.

Do you mind elaborating on why C/R is a good line here?
I understand you work quite a lot with solvers (which I don't), so I assume your conclusions come from some solver output, but I struggle to undertsnad the rationale behind it in this case.

If H wants to build a C/R range in this spot, he has all the sets (or at least 77 and 44, if he wants to "trap" with 99), plus two combos of 97s. This fat value can be balanced by high equity bluffs like T8s, 86s, 65s with a bdfd, all of which are in CO's opening range, I guess.
Including a hand as weak as JJ means that H is supposed to C/R an awful lot in this particular spot (3way, H as orginal raiser, etc.), doesn't it?

Flop line’s fine, though sizing might’ve been a bit big. Once BU jams, folding JJ is usually the safe play.

the way this board works is bb and co defer to btn who stabs small with a wide range. the exact same thing more or less takes place in hu pots. then co ends up check raising aggressively as a result. im seeing something like 70% stabs for btn if i let it use a small size, bb never x/ring, and co x/ring 19% in the multiway sim and 16% hu. what i think you're overlooking is the value of tptk / overpairs on this type of board (devoid of 2p+ / made hands) vs a depolar stab range. x/ring flop also does not commit you to playing for stacks necessarily (as we see in this hand)

also alot of the semi bluffs here are things like qjss w bdfd qtss w bdfd. you don't necessarily need to make a straight, just making a good tp is going to have a ton of equity vs btn's range.

boards like this that whiff the preflop raisers raising range (particularly the offsuit broadway stuff), protection / thin value becomes the driving incentive for ip flop strategy so he bets small depolar as a result, i think.

Yeah, that’s interesting too. My image was tight as hell. Should that affect my flop strategy? Which image works better for x/r AP, and which is better for just c-betting?

If you image is tight here, I think that the flop check raise is fine. Maybe we should hero fold here though.

if your image is tight not sure what flop CR accomplishes, id just c/c

as played fold

To me, the c/r gets a little money in the pot and makes him pay to see a turn w/ his draw. Just sucks that he shoved 😉

I range check OOP when multiway across all boards. I look to have a robust check raising range plus a fair bit of check calls. On this board I would strictly check call down given what you’ve written about both Villains. There are some cards that would make me consider a fold, but if your reads are correct, V on BTN is hanging himself vs our JJ here and if he has better or binks 2pair so be it. I don’t like leaving SB in cause of the equity he steals from us. But I only like the check raise on flop if V on BTN is also over calling as well as 3-bet spazzing bluffs and hands like top pair weak kick here. If he isn’t then I check call down.

As played I’m beating Villain into the pot with my call.