Warning: No „forward motion“ enforced at Aria

This exact angle was used on me by “Jamie” formerly of Atlantis and now way too classy for him Peppermill Reno propping fame. He put calling chips in his hand, brought them forward next to his chips already in the pot, and held them visibly outstretched while pushing the chips already in the pot of his further forward and said “alright take it down” and I tabled my hand because of his forward motion with additional chips in hand next to the chips already in. Then after seeing my hand he pulled his hands back and pushed his cards to the left to the dealer and claimed “take it down” meant folding to my face and that he had to drop a chip on the felt (bs). While later playing at the Atlantis I learned his reputation and nickname there “Angle Shooting Jamie”, and heard stories of his pretend folding by throwing his cards down face up but reasonably next to himself and saying “you got it” to players then calling after they table their bluffs or react. My revenge plan is to chat with the wonderful new Peppermill manager who I know well and try to get his shady reputation put under the light and hopefully she will get rid of his propping PLO/mixed games at Peppermilll which they don’t need. He’s a POS who cheated me out of a 1k raise. I feel like these scumbags are going to get away with this anywhere and everywhere until people are aware of how common this angle is so thank you for posting. Aria doesn’t have it under control either. I’ve played for 20 years and never had someone pull it on me until POS Jamie pulled it on me in a huge pot and completely surprised me with his **** character. **** whoever at Aria does it as well.

Wrong for this fact set. Say whatever you want but that won’t force a release of the other player’s chips

if someone says ALL IN, they are all in. no chip movement involved.

1. While accurate for NL, it has nothing to do with this thread and particularly not the post to which you replied.

2. Not true for a limit game and has a different meaning, if any, in a pot limit game.

was only talking about NLH

I was in a tournament in the Venetian where a guy picked up his high value stack chips waved it across the betting line and said "All in". He was in the 10 seat. I heard him say "All in" and I was in the 3 Seat. The dealer also heard him and pulled out an all-in button and while he was still holding it I asked the Dealer whether he was all in. The Dealer said yes and accidentally dropped the All-in button into his tray and went to pick it up and I said "I call" and moved my chips forward. The Guy who said "all in" then said "I no say All in". So we called a Floor over. The Floor did not ask anyone if they had heard the player say all in. The Floor just asked the Dealer if his "all In" button had been placed on the table in front of the 10 seat player. The dealer said "no". A friend of the Villain said "He no say nothing" in the 5 Seat and before the Floor could rule the player in the 10 seat mucked his hand but the dealer caught the cards and separated them from the muck pile. The Floor then ruled that it wasn't an "all in" and gave the player in the 10 seat a one round penalty for mucking his cards during the ruling.

This is why I never consider when someone says "All In" that they are all in. Unless they have moved every one of their chips forward well past their cards (which almost never happens) I will now ask for a count.

Just as a side note after the Floor had left, the player in the 9 seat said to me across the table that he had heard the 10 seat player say "all in" but the Floor had never asked him, the dealer, me, or anyone else if they had heard "all in".

pretty poor. Do they not care to check the camera to see the ALL IN BUTTON being given to him?

so in 99.9% of situation the words ALL IN are binding. geeze

The all-in button hadn't been given to him. The Dealer dropped it in his tray, answered my question asking if the player was all in, picked it up and was about to put it on the table after I pushed my chips forward and called, when Seat 10 guy said "I never said all in". So going to a camera (which is basically not done in tournaments in these type of situations) would not have mattered.

Personally I don't care what % of time saying "all in" is binding. It should be 100% of the time but the problem is that there are liars and cheaters in the game. And apparently there are floors who just won't do the right thing to resolve issues when they are called to the table.

This is why I will never push my chips forward or say "call" when somebody says "all in". Unless they then push all of their chip stacks into the betting area. I always ask how much is the bet so that the player will be forced to move all of his chips forward.

noted. I will watch for that. thanks