The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition

Thank you, Nath, it should be interesting for modern players to get into the game fast. The link is useful.

Nath, my position is different. I try to show that in case I, personally, made a mistake - the software helps me to get my EV (expected profitability) back -

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...

I suggest -

Nath, I try to draw attention of people to a problem. The game is unfair. And to prove this I go for micros. And I say it from the start of my participation in the thread. Let's play fair game - this is what I suggest.

It's unexpected, that you try to find negative motivation in my actions, while online rooms are just fooling people all over the world.

2018 hot streak on Pokerstars
2019 hot streak on Partypoker

Then - I unsatisfied with 30% ROI and went to micro to prove the game is rigged. Man, 20 years! ))
This info slightly contradicts with a real information :p))

Nath, the game IS rigged. You suggest us to play the rigged card game.

Yes, TheWaddy, it's a strange stuff, in general. That is why I feel myself, like I'm back to a normal life, after I close the forum. Many things are said out of common logic ))

I thought you said you started playing in 2007, which is where I got the "almost 20 years" from.

30% ROI is good for online tournaments in today's environment.

I don't think it is or that you've demonstrated it is in any meaningful way. But I also recognize there isn't anything I can do to convince you the game isn't rigged, because anything I have to say can be dismissed as me not understanding your "proof," or being in on it, or whatever.

But if you started posting hands or let us go over your hand histories or a full tournament stream or something, I think I could convince you you're not as good as you think you are. And if you put as much work into getting better as you put into "proving" iPoker, which has been around for 21 years, rigs micro-stakes games, then you might be able to become a winning player.

And then when you play these games correctly and over a long enough run, you'll be a winner, and it'll seem silly you ever thought the game was rigged.

You clearly have the work ethic. Might as well put it toward something that will benefit you and is an actual skill, instead of going all the way down a rabbit hole many players who lose at small stakes or take a bad beat have convinced themselves to go down. The choice is yours.

What would even be the benefit of rigging micro stakes action? The rake on micros is so high already that there's plenty of money to be made in running a fair game. And if you're playing tournaments, they get your rake when you enter, so it's not like making you lose or play big pots makes them any more money.

Just some more common logic then:

Your research isnt done yet because you never proved a vital part of your thesis "play according to sites hidden rules and you will get favored by the rng. Pros arent good, they just comply. Johnmir is excellent, but since he doesnt comply he loses"

Cool thesis, no proof seen though. 0%
Logic dictates you want this proof.

You can play vs me fully according to the rules (you run well) while i play opposite of that (i run terrible)
If you beat me (even though I think you are a terrible poker player) you have proven your thesis and made money from me!!

Logic dictates you like those things.

But yet you refuse to do any of things. "pro's are terrible, only way they make 60k+ a year is that they multitable"

Logic dictates if it was that easy you would shave shown it by now instead of spending 6 years losing. 60k+ goes a long way in Russia.

A lifetime loser says there is a very very easy way to win.
Yet he doesnt.
Logic dictates he is a liar.
And facts to as well.

That's an example of why you're paid the big bucks.

Notice the ganging up on the easy target as JohnMir has no successful stats in recent online poker. Very easy to pick on someone saying the reason he is believing the decks are skewed is because he is loser with a grudge.

So what about the player who you can also check the stats as your proof, who has never been a losing player at any point? What is my motivation for my beliefs? Any site IÂ’ve deposited to open my account and never had to reload.

You can see I had a silver star at FullTilt. I was killing it there until it was taken over by a site notorious for brutal outcomes in Jokerstars and the sub 20% chances then just went out of control overnight.

I was playing the same players at the niche Omaha hi lo heads up, but suddenly their luck changed and never stopped or evened out.

Was staked at the time and the conversations with the pros there was how decks had changed and how we could combat it. We could not maintain the game volume required to remain staked whilst we worked it out, so many of us left.

johnMir do not be suckered into playing, as you can not prove your point and only will give them a false victory. You would not win because it takes literally years of experience to combat the skewed decks to make a profit. ItÂ’s not a case so much as playing badly to get the decks in your favour, all that would achieve is to not to lose as much as odds dictate!

ItÂ’s about adjusting your decisions that would be different if you were playing with a real deck.

I will give you just one example of many.

At Omaha hi lo heads up sit and gos on Sky, my experience has been if you flop a nut high straight, with no low possible at that poin … even though you are only up against one player and not a full table, this will not be the winning hand if it gets to the river card.

In hundreds and hundreds of these, in 8yrs or so, I have only seen it 2 or 3 times that I won the pot. Its like been a massive wow moment when it’s won.

So I just don’t bet it and will fold the nuts if my opponent is aggressively betting it. The worst case scenario in real odds is my opponent has a set on a rainbow flop and Im 70-30 to win with a real deck, but I fold or check the hand out now.

Crazy, but if you know the deck, youre not winning that hand. Sometimes you will only be like 50-50 if he has other draws too, but regardless of odds, you are never winning there.

Or should I say, Im not winning there. I see my opponents do it regularly.

Real deck Im betting max as its PL and willing to be all in if he wants to ram. On a rainbow flop at worst we have the same hand, or I’m 70-30 versus his set. Simple.

Online, fold. I am not winning that hand at Sky. Clearly I have to play bad poker to avoid a big loss. This is were the bad poker comes into it. Its not about going mad with shite hands. Its recognising when you are being set up for a big loss.

You are not going to pick these things up over a few games. All you will achieve is giving them false ammunition for ‘ i told you so ‘, you are wrong etc

He is not saying he thinks the game is rigged
He is saying he has proven it.
He claims to know the algorithm but refuses to show anything other than how to lose

He is an easy target because he makes himself one.

Funny you should say "You would not win because it takes literally years of experience to combat the skewed decks"
Its in fact Johnmir's lifework to do exactly that
In his claims nobody knows the algorithm better than he does.

I know, everyone knows, he is not going to accept the hu challenge in whatever form.
He knows he is not good enough.
He doesnt have the money.
When he loses he cant just delete the challenge like he did on that failed livestream.

Also cool you share another crazy experience story without showing anything of it
You would think in 20 years you would have learned something about a tracker or a screenshot

What would you like me to show that you wouldnÂ’t dismiss before I even wasted a day getting it together?

What like 40 flopped nut hi straights that lost? You would say it was variance and not a big enough sample.

IÂ’ve not got such a big ego that I have to find a way of proving what I choose to discuss in a forum. There is nothing I can put up as proof.

I could of course trail through thousands of hands and then put them up, but we both know it would not be proof, just numerous examples which you would say Ive cherry picked.

ItÂ’s another Slugant Groundhog Day… we have discussed this over and over. Then Your back on to having a tracker, which you know I donÂ’t use or have any need for. Repeat repeat repeat, he never gets bored of it!!!!

What I have in common with JohnMir is a shared belief in what is happening.

I have no interest if he lies on other platforms or not, or other associated stuff….that is nothing to do with me. Not interested.

What I do know sites are fined consistently for targeting vulnerable players, the Moderator is obviously heavily involved in online poker sites and here you all are backing sites and encouraging a losing player to play bigger in a game he can’t win.

Do you see the common denominator?

Poker sites have no shame and 3 of you are acting in the same manner. I guess thats just an amazing coincidence.

Yes, in general, I started about 20 years ago, Nath. But I have been always winning, until I moved to micros in 2020 and started to play irrational to check the reaction of the software to my moves.

I made around 20% ROI on Pokerstars (MT SnGs 7$ buy-in). And I didn’t like a pure control of my bankroll by the room. After each +100$ I got a downstreak. It’s not normal. It’s a typical casino “stuff”.

30% ROI can be acceptable, but it depends on a level of our opponents. It can’t be not more then 50% on any limit and any field. More than that, I got worse results on lower limits on weaker fields, comparing to my results on significantly higher limits!

Anyway, if you watch online results of winning players, it should vary from 0% to 300% ROI. But they all are limited by 50% (or something close). It’s a pure limiting of the income by the software. It is not normal.

Look, this is a well-formulated message on a probability forum of 2+2.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/25/pr...

If it is all that easy to disprove, why no one answered. I can see they are active.

Why iPoker’s support didn’t answer me, if it’s so easy to disprove, and it’s not any meaningful.

And why Curacao Gaming Control Board ignored me if iPoker is regulated.

And, since iPoker is not regulated – it’s a fact, it’s not regulated – do you really believe an online casino (!!) wouldn’t rig its games to increase the profit. Nath, it beyond the logic, you know.

All of this – is a clean logical statements.

By the way, that message on probability forum might be understood by a player of any level in statistics.

It’s very clear.

I said – the software deals flops according to my folded on a preflop hand.

And in 111 hands I hit something, that happens once in 300 000 hands.

Nath, what else should be proven? I mean, what is a proof of the dependency for you then? )

If 99.999 999 992% chances to be rigged is not enough, what is enough, then?

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...

At the moment, it’s simply impossible to deny, basing on reasonable arguments, that iPoker is rigged. I don’t see a way to deny that at least somehow. The game is openly rigged. The dependencies were uncovered.

And the only thing they (iPoker) still stay on – they are simply covered by Curacao. It’s a criminal group in action.

Well, no one is perfect, Nath. Everyone commit mistakes, for sure. Thank you, yes, it would be interesting to discuss the game. I wanna try myself in offline gaming. And would be interesting to discuss complicated hands on the strategy forum.

In fact, considering that I described my whole strategy, provided myself complicated ICM calculations of a huge number of tournaments, analyzed crazy number of cash hands. I even developed myself a tracker on C++ for FullTilt and Bet365 poker.
I invested much more time in improving my gaming, then in uncovering of a fraudulent rooms.
I don’t even doubt I would be a winning player in a fair game on many fields. It’s doesn’t mean – I’m cool, but I’m significantly above average, in my opinion. Well, my recent MTT gaming proves it. Even taking into account a low limit. I made final table several times in several tries on 300 players MTTs.
I played according to a software, though. To show, that the game is not random.

Nath, I can’t allow myself to deny the truth. The game is rigged, and I know how it is rigged. I can open any game, and show that it is rigged. I can prove this statistically. At the same time, yes, I can win online, but I don’t base my opinion regarding rigging on my results. Otherwise, I would never leave online poker in 2008 (at the age of 22!! Only) after making a run from 2$ to 2500$ bankroll. I left, because even in spite of a constant winning, it was obvious to me, that the game is not random.

Thank you, Nath. Seriously.
Well, it’s hard to understand, but I do feel a pretty high motivation in helping people to stop the fraud in online gaming. Too many people involved and face negative situations in life due to been cheated by the rooms.

To be fair, yes, the income itself shouldn’t be any valuable for rooms, due to rigging on micros. But it is a question of attraction of new players to the room. It’s also a question of “the compliance” between limits. You can’t run totally different “games” on different limits. People will obviously find it out.

What about my 2018-2020 playing, I have been winning for 2 years, man!

But can’t do two jobs at the same time. Enough of this, I’m moving to tennis, sorry! )) I will probably play, if I manage to find a good moment.

It won’t prove my thesis – it’s just a one competition!

All the key stuff is hidden in the researches and the numbers!

I wouldn’t say “only” cause of that. I mean, some of online players would win in a fair game, some – wouldn’t. But, yes, in my opinion, you don’t decide your results, the software does it. And it’s totally wrong. Unfair. I don’t want someone to decide my results.

Yes, guys try to “play” on this. Well, some guys will probably believe that I do care about results on 0.1$ SnGs after playing 60$ SnGs, and 109$ MTTs 😃
I suggest guys to watch difference in prizes on 0.1$ and 60$ SnG))

Then, they will probably understand if it is possible to care about 0.1$ results less, then I do ))

Well, TheWaddy, what can they do?

My proofs are impossible to argue. Cause they are just true. My understanding of the game (on some acceptable enough level) is also obvious.

The only way is to somehow “hide” my statements in the chat ))

Haven’t ever reloaded before 2020 too ))

Only when I withdrew all the money in 2020 and started to keep 50$ on my account and play micros irrationally.

The same here. When I played Pokerstars, I took part in many conversations regarding the changes in games. And many winning regulars where saying about rising problems in gaming vs useless newcomers… The income was falling down.

Yes, I think guys will just use this to somehow change attention from my statistical materials to a concrete matches, lol.

Haha, TheWaddy, many guys, who win, play like that, and they are sure they are good poker players! Lol!

I mean, guys seriously limp-call hands. Raise 3BB vs a small blind limp on QQ (probably, because they do know, that QQ is not that good on the online flop 😃). And they are sure it’s right to play poker like that!

Yes, it’s a huge mistake to slow play hands online. Push or fold, lol. Agree with you.

Thanks god, 2+2 guys don’t know, what cash games pros say about that.
Just today I read on a page of Gipsy Team’s cash regular “I decided to play a normal poker and slow play hands, defend pots. As a results I lost 14 buy-ins in one session. It’s impossible to win on Party, playing like that, lol. I’m going back to a profitable style of playing” – lmao.
On Gipsy Team the situation is more “open” than on 2+2. No one defend rooms there “on purpose” people discuss the game pretty fair.

It’s cool you managed to notice all this and to use in your gaming!

You should tell your buddy John😉
If nobody is targeted personally the winners are better than the losers
Then how is Johnmir an expert level player? He is not being targeted by the rng but still he loses at micros

Why would a lifetime loser with a super-fragile ego like Johnmir contribute an unbiased opinion about online poker?
You think he could accept the fact that he is just a lot worse than most...
You are very naive

I wouldnt be able to deny any facts, you are jumping way ahead of things
I accepted facts about botrings, collusions, superusers.. Why would I do that if im defending sites???
But they offered evidence, you have never done.
Its another waddy groundhog day.
You speak about 4 outer avalanches... where are they?
If you show them I wont dismiss them, and I told you countless times. That you bring this up and think its an argument is repeated nonsense.
But if you dont want to show me, at least show your fellow riggies who are eagerly waiting some evidence, because its long overdue

Now this is just the icing on the cake.
"sure I trust a pathological liar, as long as he says the things I want to hear"
Thats what gave trump power so it must be a wise idealogy :p

Also, if you dont care that person A is lying why do you get your panties in a bunch when you think person B is lying?? I know logic is hard for you but then you shouldnt be interested either.

Its not enough for you apparently
Because no matter what circumstances you will not stand behind your product
Whether is free money for you or an honor bet (which is a freeroll for you) you refuse because you know its gonna be a fiasco
How can you expect others to believe your product when you yourself dont?

"I am 99.99999999% certain this will happen"

"want to show it?"

"no, but you gotta believe me"

🙂

Good thing you spend the 6 years only playing terrible poker at the micros then 😉
Really bad time management, only a very bad analyst would do that

Havent you read the waddy?

You are not being targeted personally, you have the same deck algorithm as anybody else.
Get on the same page guys hahahah. You cant even agree on the rig, just shout that it is unfair. Its a good laugh to read 😉

It sure is :p

And they rate you at a staggering -745 (extremely low). And this is on a forum which according to you has a fair & open assessment 😀

Slugant posted:

Originally Posted by TheWaddy
why would they want to rig your specific micro games to make you lose
you are very naive.

The Moderator really should delete this latest Slugant post… doctoring and republishing my comments to fit his rhetoric is ok now?

Johnmir knows something is very wrong. I know something is very wrong. I don’t know Johnmir, yet you think our thoughts on how and why sites manipulate decks should completely match!??

And that it makes what we say irrelevant and means we lie because we differ on how sites do this!?

The only common ground is we know it’s not mathematically right. End of story. Yet every time you criticise my thoughts, you involve what JohnMir has said to back it up!

You make some very childish posts.

I know somethings very wrong, donjonnie knows something very wrong, teflondawg knows something very wrong. Very wrong with you guys.

And you dont have to have matching theories but this is a huge distinction.
Johnmir thinks he is losing because he is targeted.
You are claiming the rng doesnt target personally but everyone.
So John whole claim as to why he is a losing player is untrue in your eyes. Dont tell him or he might ask to have you banned :p

And adressing the quote, I removed a lot of text as to not too quote 30 sentences but the 2 I was referring too.
Its common practice and nothing, yet you think it is very wrong.
Weird ethics. Johnmir can lie all he want, its doesnt concern him. But dont clean up your quotes, thats doctoring :p

But dry your eyes, here is entire quote so you can sleep well tonight.
Maybe you understand than as well why I removed text, I didnt doctor any sentence.

Also a bit ironic, you are quoting only 2 sentences and deleted the middle one. My exact quote is:

So according to you, you are also doctoring quotes and your post should be deleted

Being consistent really isnt your thing huh 😃

Probably because I was quoting a question other people ask me and you have doctored it to suggest it’s my opinion perhaps? Then adding a bit 6 paragraphs on to suggest it’s part of a quote I didn’t make to sound even worse?

The last bit of your post, I have no idea what your suggestion of me doctoring quotes means or is suggesting. For some reason you decided to post the full quote from yourself and mix it in with one of my replies to Nath.

4hrs on and the Moderator seems to have allowed Slugant to repost a quote from me that has been doctored to read something in a totally different context.

People who are reading, who are neutral …. This is how far you should trust those that are invested in online poker.

I think it just shows they are the type of people who have no interest in fair play and highlights if things fit to their own selfish needs, that is all that is important.

This is the attitude of poker sites in general, hence the constant huge fines down to the disregard of people’s wellbeing.

Slugant, could you, please provide the evidence of my lifetime losing, because you lie here.

My latest quotes -

You say something, that simply untrue and doesn't come from my statements. But you keep repeating this.

Kindergarten.

My comment regarding this -

You discuss here my own opinion about myself, man. For 50 pages.

You have got a fragile ego, not me. Do you understand that?

If anyone will say here in this chat "I'm a pro player" - I won't give a f--k )))

Have never said that.

I agree with TheWaddy, the software doesn't target someone personally. It works according to some prescribed algorithms.

It doesn't follow concrete accounts. I don't think so. I don't see a difference in my and TheWaddy's opinions here.

There is a difference between -

"The software limits a ROI level of single table players after the withdrawal"

and

"The software limits a ROI of a Johnmir account, because he shown some unstandard playing VS software algorithms".

The software doesn't target personalities. This is what TheWaddy meant. If I got him right.

This is a special phrase.

To be fair, I just couldn't find enough time to make screen shots.

The fun is that, I don't think you are lying here, you are not just competent enough to assess the information.

You show here picture of a guy, who, you think, is against me, but he is actually supporting me starting from the first messages

And you don't even see, that his rating on the site is -1348

Now, look at the first person, who commented my materials on the first page of my thread on Gipsy Team -

This guy have argued with me during around 150 pages on Gipsy. He is a successful online pro - Pokerstars, WPN, iPoker - everywhere midstakes MTT 30-50% ROI.

His rating is -4092

Man, you just can't assess information, really...

I don't choose this guys. The one - you shown yourself. Another one is THE FIRST guy to comment my messages on Gipsy. I didn't even try to find these guys, lol. 1 minute of work.

Let's go next.

These are part of my message to guys on another thread.

"Guys, thread participants, sick bastard , Chipster .

Along with the comments on the situation, I also respond to your messages ��😉)

Look what's going on here.

I post a table in the chat -

[here I show them a table of 31 flops been hit of 47 - 0.000 008% case.]

...

Expecting people who at least understand the game at some level, that is, are not new to poker, to really think about how this is possible. How can you match the flop in Red Star in this mode?

Because, even without knowing exactly what this happens on average over a distance of 300 million flops (not hands, but flops, usually flop seen is from 20% to 30%, that is, we are talking about a game distance of under a billion hands).

One person, however, reacts constructively and writes - "

It's a critical message towards a part of GipsyTeam community.

The reaction of readers -

15 positive vs 5 negative.

Once again, you don't really understand, what is going on there on Gipsy Team. You just choose some and only negative opinions.

I have got A LOT OF positive opinions about my views on Gipsy Team, but I don't see a need to show all them here.

Obviously, some players support my ideas. And, obviously, a big part of players DO NOT support my ideas.

Well, this is a huge problem for me here to discuss the situation (in online poker)... I don't speak English as well, as Russian. Even on Gipsy (where there are a lot of my enemies)), many guys said, that I write (in Russian) in an intersting manner (nice language involved). Here on 2+2, I can't communicate effective enough.

As an example - I tried to understand your last message for a few minutes. Lol.

Slugant is not a native speaker also. Hard to say, if he understands this message too.

But lately, he said that "I was provoked by the software" and "The software provokes me" are the same phrases. It sounds strange to me, since in case the software provokes me with dealing "nice" combinations on the flop, in case I have already folded my hand on a preflop - it doesn't mean, I followed the provocation...

Though, anyway, he intentionally misinterpret statements of players, to confuse readers 😡

It’s cool JohnMir, this what a Moderator should be able to control.

"even worse" :p
So even you agree its a bad take
I was adressing the exact thing I was quoting
You dont trust pokersites who lie and claim people who do are naive
Yet you trust johnmir who lies all the time and you dismiss it as "none of your business", perhaps in trusting him you shouldnt be so naive 😉

But even if it was the case, why do you care all of a sudden? You said that if johnmir lies you dont care. But if someone else quotes a selection their post should be deleted.
Another thewaddy huge double standards groundhog day 😀

I am not the one introducing myself on 4+ platforms as an expert level player who plays $100 sng's even though stuck at absolute micros

I am not saying I am elite player. I am miles behind people like Linus.
You have said you could be on-par with him. The player considered to be the best over the last 5 years. You got a butthurt ego, one so fragile you are scared to finish your investigation because you know you wouldnt be able to win.

So why are your results that of a fish?
You are not being targeted and many of your opponents do win even though they face the same prescribed algorithm.
You think pro's dont cash out??? How are they pro's then if they never get money out of poker?

So if I play you on a site where I just withdrew and you just deposited.
And I play 1 table and you play several.
I would have major software limits while you dont....
Surely you would be eager to play me in those circumstances.
I am up for it
Even though according to your logic i would be hampered a lot.
But I know you'll chicken out again.
You create a framework in which someone will be favored and disavantaged yet you dont even have the balls to take on the role as favored player. You have no faith in your nonsense.

And then you show an image saying:
"instead of wasting time on all sorts of crap, its better to read something about the theory"
"fate of all crazy people, they think that everyone around them has gone crazy"

How is this backing you up? If you see positive in this your ego is out whack.

Ive said before, have you read the positives? They are mocking you and are being plussed for it.
If they really liked your stuff how do you get a personal rating of -745
Nobody whos something in poker has taken you seriously so far. You do realize that yea?

Your English must indeed be terrible then. Not uncommon for Russians.

Do you know what provoked means? its not an action
The definition is "stimulate or incite (someone) to do or feel something" (look it up on your precious ai/chatgpt :p)
Provoked does NOT imply you did something (like openshove 55 for 75bb on a stream and then delete it)
It means you got stimulated to so something
So if you got stimulated to shove but you did fold, you still got provoked.

If you were provoked by software, you got provoked. No matter what action you took.
If the software provokes you, you got provoked. No matter what action you took.

You must have thought the word ment something else, no worries. You've made worse mistakes.
But do you understand the word now?
Or do you keep on misinterpreting to not having to face your own mistakes again?

And since you guys put so much trust in AI & chatgpt I asked it:
Is online poker rigged?

There you have it, straight from the horse's mouth.

slugant

I think maybe you should quit making such strong comments on an English speaking forum.

You simply misunderstand,misread, misquote constantly due to a breakdown in language.

Even the bell end example to highlight your misquote was lost on you, so it’s pointless. JohnMir is able to say he’s not sure what’s being said due to the language barrier but you just go on the attack whilst misunderstanding.

Its impossible to communicate with you as you are unwilling to accept you are struggling with the language and just end up repeating stuff Â… even when you have been corrected for misunderstanding whatÂ’s being said or itÂ’s been fully explained before.

You go on the attack, for things you have simply translated incorrectly. You are arguing at crossed purposes. ItÂ’s not a good look for you, just making a fool of yourself.

The moderator of course should put you straight on misinterpreting posts, especially when putting other peoples comments in the grey quote boxes, when you have simply just made them up.

Why does this forum put a capital A next to inverted commas??? Pain in the arse, not editing them anymore!

Maybe your beakdown of the language isnt so great :p

Once again you tell tales without showing anything

It was Johnmir who misunderstood the word provoked, not me.
I simply corrected him.

I know you are his #1 fanboy and you dont care if he lies
You are very critical to other but when other downtrodden riggies are proven wrong or a liar your naivety knows no bounds and you say "its none of your business", which says a lot about you
Its fine, I dont take you serious anyway.
I never made a quote up, just removed the text that was irrelevant, which is absolutely common, not just here but on any forum. I wont ever change the words. I dont have to translate it, English is not my native tongue but it is my second language.
But if you think you found such cases, I invite you to show them

But you wont, you never showed anything on this forums.
Except a deep misunderstanding of poker of course.

PS: Have you seen that precious chatgpt transcript? You use it to show what doctoring means and how a mod should act.
You should use it to find what provokes means :p
Or to aks the biggest question of all in this thread, is poker rigged? It says it isnt, but surely you know better than AI, you are thewaddy for christ sake. You've won some spare at the micros!!! You're a bloody genius.
But please ask it what the Dunning-Kruger effect is, because you and Johnmir are the perfect posterboys for it.

Then again, you'll likely read over it just like you do with everything that doesnt narrative, so here we go:
"The Dunning-Kruger effect is a cognitive bias where people with low competence in a specific domain overestimate their abilities, believing they are more skilled than they are. This overestimation stems from a metacognitive deficiency: the very lack of skill that makes them poor performers also prevents them from recognizing their own incompetence."

If it was so easy that you could be an expert just by claiming you are I can just pronounce. I am an expert at rigging and I declare poker to be not rigged. There, case closed. Dont forget, I am a self-proclaimed expert! Which of course are wiser than all the professionals combined..

You guys really are blind men telling others how to see things.

[QUOTE=Slugant;59085552]

It was Johnmir who misunderstood the word provoked, not me.
I simply corrected him.

Again. stop quoting JohnMir in answering my posts. We are not the same person or have any connection. You can not back up an argument with me by quoting what JohnMir has posted. Why cant you understand this?

I know you are his #1 fanboy and you dont care if he lies

I have made it known several times that all i share with Johnmir is an agreement that online decks dont stack up mathematically. I believe a number one fanboy, would be agreeing with everything hes said, having a poster of him on my wall and emailing him 65 times a day. Write something with a bit of truth.

I never made a quote up, just removed the text that was irrelevant, which is absolutely common, not just here but on any forum. I wont ever change the words. I dont have to translate it, English is not my native tongue but it is my second language.
But if you think you found such cases, I invite you to show them

Removing text is fine, as long as my quote remains in the same context. I wrote 'i hear all the time people saying why would they rig a micro stakes game' to which you doctored it to read that i said 'why would they rig micro stakes games. very naive'. i shouldnt have to explain the change in context but clearly i have to in your case. In my comment im saying other people ask why would they rig a micro stakes game. To which you change it to suggest i was saying why would they rig micro stakes games and that anyone would be very naive to think so. So now you have changed my comment to mean the exact opposite. You still wont get this though.... keep being aggressive in your posts whilst misunderstanding, its cool, its what you do.

But you wont, you never showed anything on this forums.
Except a deep misunderstanding of poker of course.

Give me a few examples of this deep misunderstanding. Ive done pretty well to make a profit at poker, with silver stars at FullTilt and continue to win with skewed decks (fully checkable at Sharkscope), with a deep misunderstanding. A deep misunderstanding would surely end up with huge losses at any size stakes? Hmmm? I think again you are relating this comment to JohnMirs stats and comments. I am not JohnMir, we are 2 seperate people.

PS: Have you seen that precious chatgpt transcript? You use it to show what doctoring means and how a mod should act.
You should use it to find what provokes means :p

Again you confuse me with JohnMir. We are not the same person, have no connection and an argument over the word provoke has nothing to do with me. Extremely odd behaviour to keep quoting someone else in your gripe with me.

Or to aks the biggest question of all in this thread, is poker rigged? It says it isnt, but surely you know better than AI, you are thewaddy for christ sake. You've won some spare at the micros!!! You're a bloody genius.

There has been no proof of online poker rigging, although 50% of poker players on this forum have noticed that the decks are not trustworthy. The fact that there has been no proof, well would you expect AI to overule that fact and come up with its own thoughts???? You know how AI works right??

But please ask it what the Dunning-Kruger effect is, because you and Johnmir are the perfect posterboys for it.

Then again, you'll likely read over it just like you do with everything that doesnt narrative, so here we go:
"The Dunning-Kruger effect is a cognitive bias where people with low competence in a specific domain overestimate their abilities, believing they are more skilled than they are. This overestimation stems from a metacognitive deficiency: the very lack of skill that makes them poor performers also prevents them from recognizing their own incompetence."

I guess ive overestimated the fact in the case of the 888 omaha heads up example i gave, where it was stuck giving my opponents auto wins (300+ times on the run) with trips or better on preflop all ins when they were short stacked, was not mathmatically impossible, but in fact my incompetence.

If it was so easy that you could be an expert just by claiming you are I can just pronounce. I am an expert at rigging and I declare poker to be not rigged. There, case closed. Dont forget, I am a self-proclaimed expert! Which of course are wiser than all the professionals combined..

Again, you are quoting JohnMir here, as you have argued with him over being a self proclaimed expert. Its quite bizarre how often you are doing this in my posts.

I dont know why the Moderator allows doctoring of quotes to mean the exact opposite ..... and also allows the attacking of contributors whilst using examples that have not even been said by that contributor but someone else entirely. Im guessing its because he backs online poker, so its fair game.

I don't think "it" does. If your posts come out like that, here's an idea: don't use inverted commas in your posts.

I don't remember noticing any doctored quotes. I don't read your posts usually, but if you're doing it, perhaps some nitpicking pedant will complain about it? However, don't worry about it. It's not a big deal to any normal user.

I do back online poker. Most people who use these forums do. I find that only a few trolls and troublemaking basement-dwellers try to disrupt the forums with continual off-topic posting; but thankfully they normally don't last too long.

I think by saying ‘most people’ back online decks on here, you are factually correct Â…

However I would not get too excited if I was financially invested in online poker sites, to find 45% of the users on here (most who use a forum away from sites will b keen poker enthusiasts) do not fully trust their decks.

I think I would have done something to give my industry a lot more confidence by now, as itÂ’s a subject thatÂ’s rumbled on for 20yrs+.

I find that a bit odd.

I certainly wouldnÂ’t be training my staff to say it would not benefit the site financially to have a deck which maximises profits. I mean such a lie would cause even more mistrust wouldnÂ’t it?

Of course they could say, it would benefit us financially, but we donÂ’t do that.

But they choose to tell the lie instead.

The result being the almost 50/50 mistrust in what they say.

I find that a bit odd too.