Do you go south when you're OOP vs a fish?
Let's say you're playing online vs 5 fish. 2 are 50bb deep, 2 are 100bb deep, and you are 300bb deep with a fish who has direct position on you.
If you're playing uncapped rake, I think it's a no brainer that you'd go south, because you lose a rake-based incentive to be deep, and playing deep OOP (even vs a fish) is a disadvantage.
However, what if you're playing midstakes with reasonable rake. Does it make sense to go south, or do you like playing deep OOP vs a fish?
What games allow you to go south?
I don't know if it's lost its pejorative meaning, but going south is a thing you're not supposed to do.
You are entirely allowed, however, to seat swap, which is the recommended play.
What games allow you to go south?
I don't know if it's lost its pejorative meaning, but going south is a thing you're not supposed to do.
You are entirely allowed, however, to seat swap, which is the recommended play.
Yeah, I'm just talking about online, quitting then coming back with 100bbs.
Would it be weird in a live game to seat swap to give myself position? It reminds me of a switch pitcher vs a switch batter. There's no equilibrium.
Some people view seat switch for position as predatory in live games.
It is, but poker is predatory, and going south is not just against the rules, it's cheating.
The general sentiment I always saw was people treated it way more as predatory/bad etiquette online rather than live. Online when people would do it very often someone would say something in chat, calling them scummy etc and it's something fish rarely would ever do online
Live on the other hand you will see fish seat change regularly bc they're running bad in their seat or bc the guy that just left some other seat won a bunch of money in it, it's mostly only pros seat changing for position live and if anyone mentions it whoever does it will just say they're changing seats bc of luck
It is, but poker is predatory, and going south is not just against the rules, it's cheating.
If you're allowed to quit a table then immediately come back for 100bb, what is the argument for why going south is cheating?
Also, can we go back to my original question: If you have a choice between playing 300bb OOP vs a fish or 100bb OOP vs a fish, which is higher EV? Does the advantage of playing deep with a fish outweigh the disadvantage of being OOP 83% of the time?
If you're allowed to quit a table then immediately come back for 100bb, what is the argument for why going south is cheating?
Also, can we go back to my original question: If you have a choice between playing 300bb OOP vs a fish or 100bb OOP vs a fish, which is higher EV? Does the advantage of playing deep with a fish outweigh the disadvantage of being OOP 83% of the time?
It's not cheating if the rules allow it.
No matter who you're up against, you prefer to be ip deep and oop shallow. To what degree varies by player type. You don't mind much being oop deep against a tight, predictable rock, as that deep stack isn't in play as much and you won't be put under much pressure. Being oop deep against a lag of any type is going to be disastrous.
Iggy I take it? I feel like you should just stay deep, max you can lose is 100bb rn anyways but Im always a cover all fish kinda guy
I dont think it has to do with rake cap so much .
If its a serious fish, the rake will take smaller effect.
Of course we prefer to be in position if possible , but i would rather be as deeper as can against fishes.
I don't play online anymore, but you are saying that an online site will allow a player to pick up 300bbs and immediately return to the same seat and same table with 100bbs with no waiting period? That is sketchy af. It may not be cheating according to this site, but it is scummy at best. Don't be scummy.
I don't play online anymore, but you are saying that an online site will allow a player to pick up 300bbs and immediately return to the same seat and same table with 100bbs with no waiting period That is sketchy af. It may not be cheating according to this site, but it is scummy at best. Don't be scummy.
I've only played on Ignition. I assumed it was allowed on all sites. Is there normally a waiting period?
This is what I always thought as well. Not sure of the wait time online but it is usually a 1 hour wait in live poker if you want to pick up your chips and leave the table, and then rejoin again with whatever buyin you want. I can't believe an online site would allow this.
No. I don't cheat. (If it's not against the rules in that specific game or after a specific time sitting out, then sure. My online game doesn't allow it at all.)
It's called "ratholing" for a reason. The only thing you have to determine for yourself is if you want to live by a code of ethics that justifies this kind of behavior or not. There's gonna be places you can do it, or where the wait time is less and can do it etc...
It's not against the rules so it's not technically cheating but its a rat/weasel thing to do. But the universe has created rats and weasels and if you pay attention to people enough you will meet people that have rat/weasel personalities/ways of conducting themselves. If you're cool with that being you then more power to you, someone has to fill those shoes
It's called "ratholing" for a reason. The only thing you have to determine for yourself is if you want to live by a code of ethics that justifies this kind of behavior or not. There's gonna be places you can do it, or where the wait time is less and can do it etc...It's not against the rules so it's not technically cheating but its a rat/weasel thing to do. But the universe
Exactly. It is similar to angle shooting to me. It is not technically against the rules, buuuut........
Just be happy you're in a game with 5 fish. Holy hell. But yes as previously stated, maybe seat swap if you don't like your position and it's concerning you this much
Im confused by the topic because ignition doesn't let you select a table or a seat. So if you get up your gonna get put into a random table, where those five fish might not be. And I thought if you did by chance get seated on the same table you would be forced to buy in for your previous stack size. Is op just talking about moving to a new table when deep OOP? Or am I misunderstanding how ignition works. That's not going south or unethical
Im confused by the topic because ignition doesn't let you select a table or a seat. So if you get up your gonna get put into a random table, where those five fish might not be. And I thought if you did by chance get seated on the same table you would be forced to buy in for your previous stack size. Is op just talking about moving to a new table when deep OOP? Or am I misunders
Yes, it's this. He's considering it going south since odds are in his favor he'll get dumped into a new table so it has the same tangible effect to him. I'm sure if it resits him at the same table he'd just get up again. He'd rather forfeit a good game and take a shot with a new lineup with the hopes that he wont have any shorties on his left. I get it, but I dont think it's worth it. Not a PLO player really though.
Im confused by the topic because ignition doesn't let you select a table or a seat. So if you get up your gonna get put into a random table, where those five fish might not be. And I thought if you did by chance get seated on the same table you would be forced to buy in for your previous stack size. Is op just talking about moving to a new table when deep OOP? Or am I misunders
Yes, it's this. He's considering it going south since odds are in his favor he'll get dumped into a new table so it has the same tangible effect to him. I'm sure if it resits him at the same table he'd just get up again. He'd rather forfeit a good game and take a shot with a new lineup with the hopes that he wont have any shorties on his left. I get it, but I dont think it's wo
No, you're both misunderstanding. On Ignition if you have 200bb, leave the table, then come back to the same table, the most you're allowed to buy in for is 100bb. Ignition requires you to rathole, so my question was really a strategic one: under what conditions is it +ev to rathole.
I've only played on Ignition, so I assumed this was the norm on other sites, but apparently it's not.
How do you know you'll be able to get back on the same table esp if you're playing stakes where the pool is fairly large?
How do you know you'll be able to get back on the same table esp if you're playing stakes where the pool is fairly large?
At the stakes I play PLO5-25, there are usually just 1 or 2 tables of each stake. So, unless the table is full and someone is waiting, it's pretty each to just come back immediately after leaving.
