shove with AKo pre?
2/3 NL
I've been at this table for 45 minutes and playing tight, few playable hands. I've yet to see a 3B at this table.
V1 was at my last table and he's gambly and calls wide. He's 2 seats to my left.
V2 has been an active player but has not shown down anything and is in BB. He's raised pre more often than one would expect, but maybe he's been on a good run of cards. He does have a fold button.
UTG I have AKo and open to $20 with a $600 stack
Folds to V1 who calls with a $250 stack
Folds to V2 who raises to $80 with a $400.
I think a few seconds and shove hoping to take it down. I wasn't going to call so it was fold or shove. Any smaller raise seemed like a mistake vs the stack sizes. yes or no?
Also V1 had folded to my aggression at the other table and he's already shown he doesn't have a great hand.
V1 insta calls.
V2 tank calls.
right play?
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Yes its easy ship unless you have other reads.
In a game where the population does not 3-bet light almost ever, I've found that just jamming AKo pre is a losing proposition even with the small amount of dead money. The 3-bet range is going to be JJ+/AK most of the time. Sure we block AA/KK a little but we also block other AK. Even if we throw in a spazz range that also includes 66/77 we are a fairly substantial underdog.
We have position, I'm willing to call and see a flop and evaluating.
The raise seems OK some/lots of the time. But I wouldn’t have automatically ruled out calling either.
We don't have position on V1 when we're facing the 3-bet.
Update: both V1 and V2 called.
V1 had J9 and caught the J.
V2 had 55 and didn't improve.
I caught air, so I lost both pots.
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Sounds like a great game, also if V2 has a fold button he sure doesn't seem to overuse it.
Shove is fine with stacks like that. You’re not flatting AKo OOP vs a 3b, and clicking it smaller just bloats the pot. Jam and live with it.
Shove is fine with stacks like that. You’re not flatting AKo OOP vs a 3b, and clicking it smaller just bloats the pot. Jam and live with it.
I used to do this but people who 3-bet don't have a fold button, their range is linear and weighted to pocket pairs. It's incredibly rare to have domination (i.e. they having AQ) so we are essentially flipping but slightly worse. Its player population dependent. If people are squeeze 3-betting lighter with more AQ/KQ/A5 etc then that makes the 4-bet/jam more profitable.
Even in this case if we had perfect knowledge of the players hole cards and intentions to call it's barely profitable to shove. If J9s folds it's -EV.
