Q-Q facing a three-bet
Probably never happened before.😀
Hero has moved seats to locate behind two better players in Las Vegas 1-2 game with all locals.
UTG, a typical TAG, opens to $12. UTG +1, a savvy street smart guy, makes it $40 to go.
Hero looks down at the two black queens. All players have 200-250 BB.
Hero consider all three options before making a decision. Upon further review, he thinks he should have four-bet to $120 because three-bettor was just raising to isolate. However, in real time, he did not do that.
Hero watches as flop comes out J-A-J. Turn was a blank. River was another ace.
Initial raiser had A-K and three-bettor had A-J.
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If effective is 400, maybe cold4bet to 100 or fold
If effective is 500, maybe cold4bet to 125 or fold.
If effective is 200 snap shove.
Don't show results next time.
Include your own position as well.
Be a little more clear on stack sizes.
QQ in the BB is pretty much an automatic 4B, though we might flat if we think we're up against a nit who never has worse than AA/KK/AK if he continues vs our 4B. Cold calling 3B's is viewed as fishy, but this is a spot where it might make sense, depending on our reads.
At these stack depths, there really isn't a 4B size you can take that isn't all-in. A GTO-sized 4B here would be around $100, but even that sizing pot commits us to calling the rest off if someone jams for another $100-$150. We'd need to be over $300 deep to 4B-fold to a 5B jam.
Maybe you could make it $100 to induce someone to jam light, but we're not folding for another $100-$150, so if we're going to 4B, I'd probably just jam and live with the results if someone snaps us off with a better hand or gets there with AK. I think I'd only go smaller if I thought one of the opponents was likely to 5B jam with JJ or worse.
QQ vs AK is a classic pre-flop match-up. While QQ is ahead, I'd almost rather have AK if I'm going to jam, because it blocks AA/KK and an opponent might fold out QQ/JJ and lower PP's.
Jamming with QQ only to get snapped off by AA/KK or AK that gets there sucks, and at low stakes, a lot of our opponents are only continuing with AA/KK, so I don't mind playing QQ more defensively whenever the stacks are such that we're not deep enough to raise-fold. We just have to be disciplined enough to fold if we flat call and face another raise.
As played, you saved yourself some money not jamming, assuming that you check-folded on the flop.
