Nut Nut's Attempt At A Book About Politics & Society
Dear Forum Members,
Over in the poker threads, they have members who blog about their poker experience. I've been wanting
This really may just be a historical accident with abrahamic religions being dominant today. Abrahamic religions start with the duty to "..fill, rule, and subdue" nature with later texts hedging to say that means stewardship. Buddhism, Daoism, Hinduism and Shintoism all treat nature and non-human living beings rather differently.
That is a good point.
I was thinking about book titles.
Last night I came up with something along the lines of cooking recipes.
The current path would be Recipe For Extinction
The proposed path would be Recipe For Survival
Which one sounds catchier ?
I was thinking about book titles.
Last night I came up with something along the lines of cooking recipes.
The current path would be Recipe For Extinction
The proposed path would be Recipe For Survival
Which one sounds catchier ?
I really, really don't think it matters.
I'm curious if you can articulate your thoughts on how you think the world ought to be run and why ?
I honestly don’t think you realize that just asking how the world should be run is revealing in itself. But you’re so drunk on power that you don’t seem to notice or care that it would be an impossible task for you, or any magical up and comer that youd approve of to successfully rule top down over the entire planet.
But to answer the impossible question, I would veer towards more education and incentives that reward positive choices rather than jailing those who simply didn't recycle to your standards, or even just spoke out against it.
And I’d slap myself in the face if I ever had the thought that I knew more or could somehow manage and solve every local issue around the world at the same time better than the communities themselves.
I honestly don’t think you realize that just asking how the world should be run is revealing in itself. But you’re so drunk on power that you don’t seem to notice or care that it would be an impossible task for you, or any magical up and comer that youd approve of to successfully rule top down over the entire planet.But to answer the impossible question, I would veer towards mo
I confess. I would rule the way a parent rules a household with children.
I would love people. I would make sure that they are fed and clothed and have a roof over their heads. I would encourage them to make friends and play well with others.
If they caused problems, I would ground them and give them a timeout.
Would I make mistakes ? Yes, I would. But I would bring positive intention to the task.
This is exactly the same way that the world is currently run and has always been run with a few exceptions. The world currently doesn't have a problem with having people going homeless while others like Musk have enough money to purchase a million homes. And the world today doesn't punish people for excessive pollution .... it rewards them.
I guess in your world, murderers and child rapists get to go free because you don't jail those who don't meet your standards.
I never intimated that I would try and solve ever local issue.
I only want to tackle the global issue of pollution. And under my rule, every community in the world would be forced to submit to the same rules regarding pollutants which don't stay confined to their home communities. Just like every community in the USA today is forced to submit to laws against child rape and murder.
Under my rule, people could do whatever the heck they wanted in their home communities so long as their behavior didn't impact other communities.
If you put poison in the air or water that travels beyond the boundaries of your home community, that would be forbidden.
Is there anyone who wants to stand up and say that they are OK with intra-community standards that neglect their toxic impact on other communities ?
I highly doubt it.
I confess. I would rule the way a parent rules a household with children. I would love people. I would make sure that they are fed and clothed and have a roof over their heads. I would encourage them to make friends and play well with others. If they caused problems, I would ground them and give them a timeout. Would I make mistakes ? Yes, I would. But I would bring positive in
This sounds like what a creepy old grampa would say to kids in a park.
I never intimated that I would try and solve ever local issue. I only want to tackle the global issue of pollution. And under my rule, every community in the world would be forced to submit to the same rules regarding pollutants which don't stay confined to their home communities. Just like every community in the USA today is forced to submit to laws against child rape and murd
That sounds like a good idea. Could you elaborate on what you would do to the countries that don't have the tech, the money, or the workmanship available to meet this pollution cap that you decided on? Would you put those people in the corner and how would you do that efficiently?
That sounds like a good idea. Could you elaborate on what you would do to the countries that don't have the tech, the money, or the workmanship available to meet this pollution cap that you decided on? Would you put those people in the corner and how would you do that efficiently?
First of all .... there wouldn't be any more countries. The entire world would be one country and we could eliminate all of the unnecessary pollution associated with defending national boundaries.
We wouldn't eliminate the pollution necessary to feed people.
But we would re-invent the food system in a manner which minimized the pollution necessary to feed people. The global diet would involve more vegetable sources of protein than animal.
The people of the world have a choice. They can embrace global eco-communism or they can go extinct.
Which of those two options do you prefer ?
That sounds like a good idea. Could you elaborate on what you would do to the countries that don't have the tech, the money, or the workmanship available to meet this pollution cap that you decided on? Would you put those people in the corner and how would you do that efficiently?
Fyi - it is completely disingenuous to attribute pollution to poor people. 50% of global emissions come from the top 10%.
I apologize for that. It just happened to be the image that popped in my head at the time.
On a scale of 1-10, how likely do you think you'd be able to achieve this particular goal? You're literally going to be able to handle all the world's religions, languages, power struggles, wars, local laws, technological situation and beliefs because of your opinions on the climate?
I apologize for that. It just happened to be the image that popped in my head at the time.
On a scale of 1-10, how likely do you think you'd be able to achieve this particular goal? You're literally going to be able to handle all the world's religions, languages, power struggles, wars, local laws, technological situation and beliefs because of your opinions on the climate?
Life has existed on Earth for 4 billion years.
The world's religions, languages, power struggles, wars, local laws, technology situations and beliefs have almost completely arisen in the last/- 10,000 years. That's 1/250,000th of the 4 billion years of life.
On a geologic scale, we are a very small layer in the sedimentary layer of Earth's history,
Contrary to the egoistic human psyche, the real world does not orbit around humans. The real world orbits around the laws of nature and nothing trumps survival as a motivation for all life forms, including humans.
We will either submit or go extinct. All of those human institutions that you point to as being immovable ..... they will be overwhelmed by a global apocalypse resulting our initiating feedback loops which are unstoppable. There are greater forces on Earth than humans.
This is all very simple ......
When you put a put a sample of a bacteria in a petri-dish with a food source favorable to its metabolism ...... the population will grow until full capacity is reached exactly at the moment the food source runs out.
After which the population goes to zero as the petri dish contains no more food and the toxic byproducts of its metabolism.
Humans are just sophisticated bacteria. Earth is just a sophisticated example of a finite petri dish. The resources have limits.
There is no mechanism in human governance which addresses the potential for going beyond carrying capacity. Selfish and greedy personal motivation is to have the greatest share of the pie for oneself. To become "rich" is considered a virtue and advantage in the ability to breed. So we built a society which orbits around the competition for near-term breeding rights. Traditional survival of the fittest at the monetary level.
To be someone committed to the well being of the species doesn't get you sex as easily as being rich. So that's why we're going extinct. People are going to do whatever is necessary to have good sex.
I tend to believe that the audience here at 2 +2 is representative of the world at large.
So .... the conundrum is how to gain traction with an issue that is based in math and science with an audience that has little aptitude for math and science ?
The vast majority of scientists don't believe in God. ....for a reason... (and yes, I can provide sources if you like).
and
Once you get whatever you are writing published in a credible, academic, peer-reviewed publication, I'd be happy to read it.
The vast majority of scientists don't believe in God. ....for a reason... (and yes, I can provide sources if you like).
and
Once you get whatever you are writing published in a credible, academic, peer-reviewed publication, I'd be happy to read it.
Are you not a peer ?
I've provided some basic science upstream in this thread for your peer review and anyone else in the community who cares to review it.
You claim to have a standard of peer review, yet you choose to personally abstain from participating the peer review system ? Interesting.
There is plenty of peer reviewed work I can lead you to. Would you read Hansen's peer reviewed paper on Global Warming in The Pipeline ?
There is an exhaustive source of peer reviewed information available.
But don't count on mainstream media owners whose media asset values are all based upon paid advertising from corporate sponsors to inform of you of any developments which would damage the continuing revenue stream from those corporate sponsors.
The global economy as we know it is collapsing. Here in the USA, we can clearly see the evidence of institutions being put in place to enable the need for martial law. If you don't understand that the movement of federal troops into state and local jurisdictions is evidence of what the powerful are preparing for ..... than you are simply not inquisitive enough to understand that everything happens for a reason.
Border control is being heightened. We're sending people who criticize the government or Israel to foreign prisons which are not connected to their country of origin. We have a POTUS who is openly calling for the ethnic cleansing of Gaza in recognition that our alliance with Israel is more important to our national interest than the survival of a few million Gazans. The US is participating in a genocide for the purpose of territorial annexation and the right to exploit the fossil fuel resources recently discovered off the coast of Gaza. They aren't going to let the poverty stricken citizens of Gaza have any claim to that ... so the most convenient thing is to murder them.
The mask of pretense to democratic values and decency is off. We're heading into a bitter and brutal game of musical chairs around the globe. There are going to be lots of losers everywhere.
The vast majority of scientists don't believe in God. ....for a reason... (and yes, I can provide sources if you like).
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Some scientists like myself belief that God is everything. It's not a belief such as the Santa Claus like character that Abrahamic religions depict which is keeping track of our deeds for the purpose of judgment.
Scientists believe in creation, but the forces behind creation are mysterious.
I imagine that the universe we can measure to be 13.8 B years old is just one long exhalation of God as it continually expands. At some point, maybe God inhales and everything is returned to that state at which the Big Bang occurs again. I imagine that we're just repeating an eternal cycle in which human civilization is just a drop in the bucket of something much bigger. Like a flea on a dog.
I obviously don't know the truth. I'm content with the mystery and trying to imagine the forces which led to our presence at this moment in history.
Do you have a graduate degree in the sciences? If so, would you mind telling us the degree/field?
At the end of the day .....I'm just a messenger.
Nature is giving us a choice. It's eco-communism or extinction.
If like me, you equate God and Nature .... then God is giving us a choice.
If you are an atheist or agnostic, then it's simply the laws of nature that are dictating our survival options.
We can't continue to add unlimited amount of garbage to the world and expect it not to become our undoing. Did anyone study the impact of a spoon full of microplastics in the average human brain before going ahead and doing the experiment worldwide ? Nope.
What kind of moronic species are we that could wander into such awful risk management practices ? We claim to be intelligent but we're the only species engaging in such self destruction that I can think of.
The end of normalcy is coming soon. The genocide is Gaza .... that's the new normal. That's a few million. Then it will be tens of millions. Then hundreds of millions.
It's the system of life which is killing us. And the people at the top of the pedestal got there by being masters of a malignant system. They are not the people who are going to lead us out of this mess. They were built for the old system. Ruthless predators who are primed to dominate through exploitation. They care nothing for the increasing numbers of herd members who are failing and falling to the margins.
