In other news

trolling every time is a longstanding tactic of trolls

Social contagion is a well known piece of propaganda originally unleashed against the gays, that didn't stick, that you morons repurposed against trans and it kind of sorta did stick

We know from years of evidence that its made up fascist bullshit, just like trolly said.

But I'm glad you can admit that your own mental state is in such shambles that you believe that you personally can be convinced to believe things, that if you weren't such a pathetic mop, you'd never believe in a million years

wtf are you babbling about, there is no "pact" in the media against talking about trans suicides, as a simple google will reveal.

.

Yeah, if people decide they're not going to bully trans kids, that's a huge problem for fascist little creeps like Lucio, whose entire ideology is beating up and dehumanizing people who are different.

Crazy that I support the rights of men, right? Almost like they are half the population and have different needs than women because they are biologically different.

As possibly the only person on this forum that does actual, real life political activism I know way more trans people than you do. But luckily for you I’m sure jacking off to some marxist trans egirl on twitter counts for a little bit.

My guy…

I’m fairly certain that’s the extent of Trolly’s experience with trans people. I have zero evidence of that but it’s a safe assumption as leftists tend not to go outside.

The social contagion theory is definitely underdetermined by the evidence. The point is that the view that trans women are looking for social benefit for transitioning isn’t supported by even what could be taken as evidence of social contagion, which is the vast increase in identification as being trans from say 2010 to 2021ish.

Social contagion as related to transness is just Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria which has been fully debunked.

The "scientific" basis for ROGD being a thing was a survey of parents on an anti-trans forum responding to a poll that they were completely caught off guard by their childs transness, which was then attributed with social contagion. The entire premise is that transness is fast acting disease.

There is no underdetermination there. Its absolute nonsense

Like Luciom trying to compare men deciding to stop wearing Trilbies with someone going through years of conversion therapy

The hippies tend not to go outside?

Tavistock tells you a different story (which is what i wrote, not what dunyan wrote). It's not about "social benefits", it's about broken adolescents being convinced trans-ness is a way out their inner problems. Almost no one admitted in tavistock was ok mentally-health wise. Incidence of huge behavioural problem was an order of magnitude higher than in the rest of the population. We are talking the weakest most fragile people being pushed toward self-identifying as trans.

If you believe those families with more than 1 trans-identified kid can be explained by pure RNG i have a rigged poker site to let you play in

The abrupt change in the youth cohort, from a very small number of pre-pubertal boys to a very large number of pubertal girls obviously seeking to arrest female puberty (the old method used to be anorexia, but fashions change), is a classic case of social contagion, a phenomenon to which girls that age are highly prone. Worse, a high proportion of Tavistock GIDS patients were autistic and/or had been in care.

No I would say underdetermined is the right way of saying it. There is some evidence there that the hypothesis explains, but the evidence is not good enough for how well the proponents of the theory say that the evidence supports it.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33644314...).

This is really the most relevant evidence, which is that there was an increase in identification of both FTM and MTF trans identity. With that increase, the highest rate of increase was seen among FTM.

That’s the evidence the hypothesis is meant to explain. But that evidence underdetermines that the hypothesis is true. A credible competing hypothesis is that trans identification is proportional to trans acceptance, and that because women are more likely to be socially pressured into conformity than men that they are more likely to feel the weight of the social acceptance.

Whatever the explanation is, the solution is pretty simple, which is to make sure that trans healthcare is evidence-based and making use of the best available science.

How did you find out about my porn stash?

You guys always amaze me with how accurate your soul reads are. Have you ever tried playing poker?

Please also ignore the countless interviews with the people who regretted their choices and subsequently admitted they fell into it because it made them feel special. Please also ignore the studies that show a vast majority of kids who feel this way grow out of it as adults.

This topic refuses to die because one side is so hell-bent on trying to convince the other that the sky is green. Normally this wouldn't matter, just like any other odd groupthink, but they're not satisfied with simply being allowed to believe it themselves, they're demanding everyone change their own behaviors to accommodate the delusion.

Why don't run-of-the-mill lefties work this hard to defend the beliefs of flat-earthers?

in other news, people on twitter are starting to realize a lot of the "discourse" is pakistanis talking badly about indians and viceversa, all cosplaying as rightwing people

Because the earth isn't flat and trans people exist

There aren't "countless" interviews of people regretting their choice and admitting it made them feel special. The "regret rate" is thoroughly documented as less than 1%.

Less than 1% is how many trans people exist and you all act like its a significant enough portion of the population to lose your ****ing minds yet the regret rate being less than 1% is inconsequential to you

This is just another example of the extreme levels of hypocrisy that you have to resort to hold on to your beliefs

Lol you really do believe all the objective lies the most radical trans activists put out. The most insane numbers with not even the smallest shread of proof. Do you think that 99% of the people who at least once, when minor, say that they are trans, keep being trans their entire life? is that your claim?

No, the claim is that of 7928 transgender patients who underwent any type of GAS, 77 expressed regret, with 34 being "Major" and 28 being "Minor"

Kids are allowed to question and explore their sexuality. I had some gay experimentation in my early teens and also regretted dating a couple of women in my early 20s. Thats how life works

I assume you're referring to the regret rate of people who had bottom-surgeries, which is already a vanishingly small number of trans people. You've gotta be highly invested to go so far as to chop your dick off, and you can't go back, so I'll take your word for it.

The number of people who get over their childhood gender dysphoria as adults is as high as 87%. That's what people are talking about when going on about how this is mostly just a social fad.

People are losing their minds because the entire thing makes no sense from any angle. I assume your niece was once your nephew, and I'm sure they're a nice person deserving of respect. But their new reality comes with a few minor consequences.

There are a lot of different groups of people that can't do all the things they'd like to do. I'll never know what it's like to fit into a Porche, and rickroll will never know the glory of proper baked goods. Your niece can try out for the open league in sports, and use the bathroom that matches the birth certificate.

How was the sample selected, was it random among all people who transitioned? and were they all minors when they started irreversible procedures? because no1 is talking adults here.

If you experiment with gay you don't do anything irreversible. The whole point of everything we are talking about wrt "trans youth", is that given A LOT of them are "just in a phase", NONE of them should go near anything that has irreversible effects. And delaying puberty is irreversible , you permanently lose those years of puberty.

That's it, that's the whole point. The only thing i personally, and most people on the right do discuss about adults and "trans care", is given it is NOT a health condition, they should pay all their cosmetic procedures entirely out of pocket. But i personally can care less about how many, if any of them , as adults, then change their mind. As long as no taxpayer money is ever involved with that ofc, and no insurance company is mandated to cover any of that.

You guys have completely shifted the argument from the science behind trans women in sports to we don't think 12 year olds should have bottom surgery and I'm going to tap out because this is stupid

Maybe "look into it" or something. Jesus christ