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But objectively, trying to blame me for “ugly women” getting harassed one post removed from you calling a whole group of ‘biological women’ ugly then doubling down is nuclear levels of hypocrisy

Yeah that is just stupid saying its just ugly women . . I am curious have you asked your wife, daughter, sister how they would feel changing in a locker room with lets say Lia Thomas walking around naked as they are naked ?

This is a ridiculous take and a fundamental misunderstanding of what it means to be trans.

Decrying female beauty standards while writing this screed is certainly a choice.

That was not the question. You do realize that someone can be fully accepting of a trans individual but be extremely uncomfortable in that setting . Also your niece may be a biological female now a man and the question would be how would your brothers, sons and father feel

My gf would not care, my sister would, and my niece wouldn't

Meh. I dont think this is something you actually see. Can you come up with a single example, either a famous person or someone in your own life?

The truth is being a female, even a not particularly attractive one, is still easy mode compared to being a low status male (which most trans men would probably be, as they would be small and not 'handsome.')

I dont think any females really go trans to elevate their social status or sexual marketplace value, which is what you are implying.

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Now males is a very different beast.

This is actually a really good point. There’s a feminist author that “trans’d” herself as a social experiment to see what being a man was like. She didn’t particularly enjoy it and realized that being a man is actually pretty tough.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-Mad...)

Except that last part. I don’t think low status men trans themselves to gain advantages of being female. It would be a pretty silly thing to do seeing as trans women are not very highly valued in society.

There was a brief period of a few years where it had some kind of social benefit but I am fairly confident that’s all in the rearview mirror.

Remember when Hillary lost an election partly because she called the worst humans in the country "a bag of deplorables"?

Fair enough. I was in a hurry and the last sentence was very sloppy. But I think although being a trans woman is not very highly valued, being a low status male is probably still lower for some. And status seeking seems to be involved in some subset of male to trans female transitions, that you dont really see the other way around.

I admit I am missing the point you are making. I am pretty confident if Stephen Miller ran for President he would do much worse in a general election than Hillary Clinton did.

If we wanted to get really far in the weeds we would want to reference the empirical data which showed that there was a period of growth in trans identification that mostly saw a rapid and alarming increase in biological female identification as being trans. Though there was a small increase in transfemminine identification, it was not nearly as explosive as the other way around.

What that’s attributed to is uncertain but it certainly seems to imply less of a social factor for identification as a trans woman than identification as a trans man. The trans woman identity seems more inelastic just based off those numbers. It is certainly a defeasible point but on its face it seems like a powerful rejoinder to this line of reasoning.

women are far more predisposed to social contagion

Only surprising thing about kelhus and checkraisfold proselytising for men’s right is that it didn’t happen sooner.

Lmao at this response

They will? I've never heard of any right-winger saying that.

Ideological bias maybe, but not political bias.

I thought Hillary called us a basket of deplorables.

May have cost her the election.

S your idiotic troll argument is based on the "fact" that ideological and political are two completely distinct descriptors that never overlap and not rough overlapping categories?

Ever considered actually talking to a transgender person? It might clear up a lot of mysteries for you.

Of course there is overlap, dummy. I never said or implied otherwise. That what you thought I wrote was an 'idiotic troll argument' does little more than show us that you difficulty sometimes comprehending what you're reading. (Which I often do as well btw.)

Worth noting that at one time many (if not most) anti-vaxxers (for example) were liberal Democrats. So obviously 'anti-vaxx' isn't merely political, but is more broadly ideological.

What in Sam Hill are you talking about?

Social contagion is the made up fantasy of pink haired lib teachers convincing your kid to transition at school so they come home unilaterally trans’d without your consent or knowledge

It’s basically Luciom admitting that his mental fortitude is so weak and pathetic that he knows he’s been brainwashed into believing things that aren’t true, which is what I’ve been saying all along

Calling people you don't like a "contagion" or a disease is a longstanding tactic for fascists.

uh? social contagion is a well known phenomenon . the most salient and studied case is suicides, which is why for a very long while there was a pact among media not to talk about suicide cases unless absolutely essential and not to focus on them more than the absolute necessary, because doing that temporarily increases suicide rates.

It's exceptionally dumb for you to deny the existence of those absolutely uncontroversial and very well studied phenomena.

Btw, every single fashion fad is literally social contagion. Including when men abruptly all stopped to wear hats.

Wrt trans-ness, the contagion isn't "pink haired teacher makes a perfectly normal person trans".

The contagion is "adolescents with extremely significant underlying problems , including sexual confusion , get convinced that what they are experiencing that is stressing them a lot is sexual dismorphia and then to act accordingly". And it's a contagion not because of teachers, rather because if coming out as sexual dismorphic is well accepted and celebrated among a portion of your peers, that allows the contagion.