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Partially yes, immigration is charity.

let's see how that polls with voters when you admit that. Or how long you can keep lying it isn't when it's election day.

Looks like people are starting to realize it is and are voting against the charity part of it in the vast majority of western country, while the quality immigration part still has majoritarian support in most countries.

We always said that there is some kind of moral duty to take in refugees. What do you mean? Even the right knew this when they were ok with refugees from communist countries. All of a sudden people have amnesia and don’t remember that?

I doubt it.

Aside from the fact that refugees from communist countries are invariably the best people from those countries...

who was talking about refugees? the right is usually ok with refugees fleeing *actual war or actual political persecution* *from neighbouring countries* in most places. Then ofc the left decided that you have to take in people even after they aren't at risk of their life anymore, that's ofc something normal people are AGAINST, but it's yet a different subtopic.

Curious though: do you think european countries have a moral mandate to take in afghan or syrian refugees (presuming fleeing from those places is something we agree goes under the actual definition of war or persecution) AFTER THEY ARE SAFE IN TURKEY? personallly i think it's insane to claim any moral mandate exists to take someone as a refugee the instant he reaches anywhere in the world where he is not under imminent threat for his life or freedom.

So as an european unless *you border a european country* it's absurd to claim any mandate to take refugees can exist. And for the USA, only canada and mexico obviously qualify as possible original countries for refugees (as a moral mandate).

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I was talking about the fact that african blacks, except refugees, have higher income THAN AMERICAN WHITES and that disproves any notion of racism existing at all, against blacks, in the USA.

I had to answer about "quality" because the other guy asked what i meant.

Jalfrezi mentioned class , that's not racism though. If you talk broken english from a ghetto (not a racial: a poverty ghetto) as an american and that's used to discriminate against you, that's not racism. And we know it's not racism thanks to blacks from africa finding plenty of opportunities, and a red carpet for their qualities to shine in the USA.

Do you see yourself as a quality black?

Oh then in that case if we are excluding refugees I don’t think immigration usually has charity as its goal, although on individual level there might be some cases that benefit them more than it benefits us, but in balance no.

That’s just plainly bad induction. At best you can say it’s a piece of evidence. Like I said, I already outlined a possibility for why rich African immigrants don’t face as much discrimination (people could be particularly discriminating against black Americans). So it can’t be a proof by contradiction because all the premises can be true while the conclusion is false.

I love that you guys are giving him a hard time for correctly pointing out that legal immigrants as a group do much better than average American citizens, but each and every one of you have probably called some right-winger a "shitty human" or something of that nature on this very forum.

You make quality judgments toward other humans every single day of your life, whether you'd like to admit it or not. Quality is subjective.

All men are capable of greatness. Not all men make an effort to achieve it. At the very least, immigrants have shown a willingness to adhere to the laws of the United States, which already puts them many steps ahead of a shocking number of natural-born citizens. Our prisons are filled with low-quality humans.

Playing word games is the lowest form of combat for keyboard warriors. Every single one of you knew exactly what he meant in the first post but just saw an opportunity to twist his words in a lazy, "WHAT DO YOU MEAN, 'YOU PEOPLE'?!" way.

Pick better spots.

Calm down sparky.

I'm the opposite: a non-quality white person.

I would see myself as a quality brown (latino) if i immigrated in the USA yes. I know in theory italians are "white" but that's a bad labeling

Technically, all people are some shade of brown (other than albinos).

Quite. There’s an obvious reason he doesn’t agree with your definition.

true.
if forest gump made it everyone can !

I wish there was a forum rule that forbids low quality Italians to post here.

you really hate Pelosi, don't you?

why are you surprised that rich african immigrants are wealthier than the average african-american? wealth is built generationally.

In the united states, black americans have been denied the right to build generational wealth up until the 1980's/90's. When enclaves of black Americans managed to build wealth in spite of discrimination they were attacked and destroyed (tulsa massacre, rosewood massacre, the "urban renewal" programs, interstate highway projects that invariably destroyed and/or segregated black communities... the list of ways both the government and private citizens attacked and destroyed black communities and black wealth is endless)

higher income, not wealth. they get hired in good jobs, perform well at thosex and earn more than American blacks. they are better at creating wealth than American blacks , better than American whites as well.

and they find no impediment, no racism, otherwise no matter what, if actual racism existed, they wouldn't get those jobs.

actual racism is "you are black (or other discriminated against group), you can strictly only be hired in filthy jobs "real people" wouldn't do".

like blacks in Japan or china. like gypsies in Europe. like Bangladeshi in the UAE.

actual real racism, tier 2 people, treated as subhumans by the system.

like Jim crow laws.

that doesn't exist anymore and hasn't existed in the USA for many decades for blacks.

and yet they keep performing horribly. whatever the reasons, it can't be racism, especially because a newcomer black from Ghana or Nigeria gets red carpet treatment if he knows enough math

this is so dumb but said so confidently.

Most Africans that have immigrated to the US are not rich.

I dated a Kenyan girl and her family did stay-at-home nursing, worked at Walmart and other places, and lived in a modest middle class house that they afforded by working hard.

that's the reality of racism in actually racist countries. like Libya with blacks under Gheddafi, or many other examples I provided.

Thanks for confirming. I bet you sat more than half an hour on that low quality "joke"...And then people keep telling me that abortion is a bad thing.

On a related note, someone asked Chat GPT to rank the 5 worst cases of slavery in human history, and this is the list they came up with:

5. Barbary pirate slaving (~1500s-1800s)

4. US southern postbellum period (1877-1941). --Continued chattel slavery in all but name

3. Trans-saharan Indian Ocean slavery pipeline w/ prevalent castration (~700-20th century)

2. Congo free state (1885-1908)

1. US/Caribbean/Brazilian trans-Atlantic chattel slavery (1500s-1800s)

--A couple interesting notes. East Asia and the New World had plenty of documented slavery, but none of their slave systems made the cut, as opposed to the Christian and Islamic world, which received all 5 entries. It is not clear whether this is because of built in Chat GPT bias or because their systems of slavery were less pernicious.

East Asian historical slavery does seem less pernicious depending on how you feel about castration (which was prevalent in different periods of Chinese and Korean but not Japanese slavery) But with what we know about the Aztecs, seems like some bias was involved in them not making the cut.

--Another interesting note about the trans-Atlantic slave trade. Is that US gets the vast majority of the bad press for political reasons. But the actual cruelty and living conditions were arguably worse in the Caribbean and Brazil.

today i learnt something that is a little shocking to me...

Approx 1% of americans who work, are realtors (!!!!!!!!)

The vast majority of those do it part time and have other jobs. Don't know what the percentage is, but the number who do it full time for a living and push volume is fairly small.