Fishy villain might have mucked the best hand, and it might be my fault

Fishy villain might have mucked the best hand, and it might be my fault

OP

485 posts · member since Aug 2024

This is more of a poker ethics spot than a poker strategy spot, but feel free to comment on both. I have never been in a

11 August 2025 at 02:23 AM

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by steamraise

"I give up, you win." twice... is a bit different than "you win"
and was enough to convince villain he was conceding.

Or he saw he was beat and took the opportunity to angle back.

True, it makes a bit different. But I read the "I give up" part as, I can't keep betting here, because I think you're gonna call. "I give up" is also another standard poker phrase that has nothing to do with conceding the pot.

I guess I would also assume that someone intentionally angling is not going to come here posting about it.

1351 posts · member since Dec 2014

by cardsharkk04

True, it makes a bit different. But I read the "I give up" part as, I can't keep betting here, because I think you're gonna call. "I give up" is also another standard poker phrase that has nothing to do with conceding the pot.

I guess I would also assume that someone intentionally angling is not going to come here posting about it.

I have not seen people here saying OP intentionally angled;some were close but backed away. Consistent message has been, yes, you did angle him even if that wasn't your intention.

224 posts · member since Feb 2005

by BullyEyelash

Your sarcasm meter may need a new fan belt.

You are right, I did not detect the sarcasm. My apologies!

3957 posts · member since Jun 2024

Fourteen votes… *dodges tumbleweed*

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elmcityboy

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This is like the ethics question of finding a briefcase full of money and nobody is around... Do you turn it in to the police?

Except in this case, you see the guy drop the briefcase, and you pick it up, and he says, "Can I have my briefcase back?"...

Always Fondling

The fact that you emphatically said a SECOND time, "I give up, you win" could have made anyone think you were folding, but especially someone who might be a tourist.

I would have at least split the pot with him. You feel bad because you know he was cheated out of the pot. If I was at the table, I'd definitely be keeping an eye on you, and I wouldn't hesitate to call you out if I saw you do anything else even remotely non-standard. ...

by Mr Rick

I just don't do what you did. It is an angle even if you didn't angle intentionally. Because both of you checked the river the SB has to turn over his hand first. In this situation I never say anything and just wait for the SB to turn over the winning hand. If for whatever reason I said what you said that SB had won the hand (which you don't know by the way - he could have

Not saying it is a good rule or "right" but I know of multiple (non-Vegas) rooms where Hero has to show first as he was last aggressor (on the flop, iirc). I also have seen rooms where it should be V to show first based on c/c river but certain dealers will insist H is first to show.

OP,
if you really said "you win" twice, even though not official poker action words, you angled V, even if not fully intentional. Tech. it is your pot per the rules. But definition of an angle is staying within the rules but relying on a technicality to achieve a beneficial outcome. I see this especially in this case because even though V appears English fluent, his fluency may be well less than you perceive. If you really give up, just discard your hand at really let him win. (Even better would just be table your hand simultaneously as you check the river.)...

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