Am I ever folding this hand on the river?

sorry I stopped with the 76 utg open. Just dont. There's no need. If you want to exploit your image then loosen up IP. ISO more widely vs limpers, or 3bet a hand like 76 as long as you are IP. Trying to play a speculative hand from upfront is just gambling. You know you're already behind so your only chance to win will almost always be to just make your draw. You cant range him effectively since you need at least one street to see if he checks and if he does you've lost an entire round of betting thus losing FE by the river.

Grunch:

PRE - the open is fine if our image is tight. We should probably fold when there's a 3B next to act and two calls, and we'll be OOP and multi-way post-flop.

FLOP - UTG1 c-bet, or he checked, and the BTN bet? If it checked to the BTN and he bet, I think we can check-raise here. Otherwise, it seems like a standard check-call if UTG1 bet, but I could still see check-raising if UTG1 bet and action folded back around to us.

TURN - I like the over-bet donk. Given the stack depths, I think I'd like it better if we just jammed, rather than leaving less than a 1/2 PSB behind going to the river.

RIVER - I'd be curious to know how quickly V called our turn bet. As played, and with less than 1/2 pot left, I don't see how we're getting away from our hand. Not sure if it's higher EV to check to induce or bet, but my gut says we should just jam, because if we check he's going to be checking back way more often than betting thin or bluffing after we over-bet donk turn.

89s is in the Upswing UTG open range for 8-handed. So, 76s isn’t that much of a stretch.

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He called the turn fairly quickly.

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I probably just check jam turn.

I probably check fold river.

Btn's range has alot of sets/2pairs some pair+st8draw.
He's jamming boats on river.
And checking all his showdown value hands. Maybe he could turn hands like 9J into bluff but I doubt it.
Of course he can valuebet Tx like TJ/TQ but it's pretty thin.

Of course if you think he has alot of random Tx and 1 pair hands, by all means jam or check/call.

You know you have a straight on the river, right? How is folding an option with this SPR? Insanity.

Random thoughts:

Bart Hanson talks about attacking the "field bettor" - situations where the PFR checks in a multi-way pot, and someone behind him bets. I think theory says that the pre-flop caller IP can rep more value on some boards, but Bart believes the field bettor is often FOS, and will raise when a PFC bets.

Like, what's the BTN repping on T85rb? TT? 88? 55? He cold-called an EP 3B pre. How many sets does he really have in his range? Is he cold-calling with those hands, when he isn't closing the action?

The cold-call itself is kinda fishy, so it stands to reason that BTN could be starting a bluff or betting too thin with a weak value hand, maybe something that he thinks needs some protection, some weaker 1P combo.

The fast turn call would seem to align with a weaker range. The 9s brings in straight draws, but also a BDFD. I'd think 2P+ would take a moment to consider his options, especially facing a donk over-bet from the TAGiest player in the game.

With the BDFD appearing, I'd think V has a lot of NFD's in his range when he snap calls the donk, maybe pair + FD, like A8s or A5s - some combo that seemed too good to fold pre, even knowing he'll be going to the flop multi-way, but not strong enough to 4B over a UTG open and a 3B from +1.

So, while I hesitate to put an opponent on one or two hands specifically, this smells a lot like A8s or A5s, and as such, I wouldn't check river, because he's very likely to just check it back. I'd either jam, or block bet really small, if we think he's capable of spaz-raising as a bluff.

76s UTG is just a bluff for LAGs and a fold for tags. It’s a defensive play so you get calls when you have AA. 76s UTG has little value because when you make your hand, you sometimes get stacked by a better flush or straight, or your two pair on the flop gets counterfeited on the turn or river. You make money with 76s by cbetting like you have KK or AK on boards you have draws.

Aren’t set mines by far the most likely cold calls?

Closing the action, yes. When they're not closing the action, I think less so, and we see more suited aces showing up.

Flop, it is a 4 way, 3! pot so I think V is probably fairly strong. I wouldn't CR but it's probably not a disaster.

Turn, I like a CR here.

River, just sticking it in. We still beat some hands. TT was probably the most likely set and 55 the least likely. QJ would often raise the turn. JJ, QQ JT and maybe AT make some sense. I doubt those are betting but they might call.

If we do check and he jams it's pretty nasty. V could conceivably value bet a ten though, because it would be a little weird for us to check a boat or a big straight. Maybe we might check exactly this straight, but he might not even think of that. Anyway, he just made trip so it wouldn't be that strange for him to be happy with it and just throw in the last 400.

Jam $880 into $330?

So you think BTN cold calls 3bets with A8s and A5s but not pocket pairs? The reverse is true IMO. He has ALL the sets here very easily, and also JJ that plays this way. Some of them will also have T9s.

Put yourself on the BTN, seeing a UTG open and a 3B from next to act. Are you going to flat call with 55 or 88, looking to set mine, knowing there's a reasonably high chance UTG decides to 4B, and we'll have to fold?

I think suited aces are going to show up here slightly more often, because opponents intuitively understand they're easier to play post flop, and block some of the other opponents' 4B'ing range.

Why not? It's no limit, not pot limit. It's a draw heavy board. We could have tons of bluffs that jam, just looking to take it down.

I think when there's an EP raise and a 3B next to act, opponents are less likely to set mine with low and middling pairs, and more likely to call with suited aces, yes.

I'm not saying V has no sets in his range. But when he snap calls the turn over-bet donk on a draw-completing card, I think he has fewer sets and more NFD's, because sets are going to stop and think about what to do, whereas pair + NFD is more in line with an automatic call.

I open this hand preflop at passive tables. I would basically always fold to a single 3b OOP. If I am playing my best, I find the fold after the two cold-callers, too -- in a lot of ways, this hand becomes even worse multiway, even though you are getting such a good price.

With that being said, I HATE the turn overbet donk. Maybe it's good in live low-stakes, but it's basically impossible to balance and is kind of face-up as the nuts. If I was villain, I would fold overpairs here. You left one third pot back so you are all-in on the river no matter what. Putting it in yourself is probably better than check-calling as villain absolutely cannot fold if he shows up here with AA - JJ, but he will check those hands back if you give him a chance.

Much prefer xjam on turn, as others have said.

The reason I like a turn donk better than going for a check raise is I think V checks back here a lot, when he stabs at the flop as a PFC, and gets called by another PFC who's OOP, and then a draw completes on the turn.

If V has 2P+, he's not folding. He's probably calling with 1P + a draw. But a lot of his range that stabs at the flop isn't going to love this turn, and will be happy to take a free card.

If he does check back the turn, once he sees the river, he may or may not call if we come out and bet, depending on what the river card is.

How is suited aces easier to play than pocket pairs? Reverse is true again IMO. With a suited Ax, you’ll be dominated by bigger aces or flop just flush draws often.

With pocket pairs, it's tempting to think we have some showdown value even when we don't improve. So they end up getting put into a bluff-catching range too often, meaning we end up bluff-catching with them when our opponents are less likely to be bluffing. But they rarely block much of our opponents' value range, so they don't really function all that well as bluff catchers.

We don't try to bluff catch with A8s or A5s when we don't improve. But AXs can function well as a bluff catcher on some boards, when we have a pair and block the nuts. A hand like A8s or A5s can block top pair, sets, nut flushes, and straights. 88 and 55 can make sets, but rarely block many nutted hands.

Low and middling PP's can get set-over-setted. We're not at risk of being flush-over-flushed with AXs, because when we make our flush, it's the nut flush. In fact, those low-middling suited aces are great cooler hands, because we unblock KXs and QXs hands that are likely to go broke with the 2nd or 3rd nuts.

The reverse implied odds risk is higher with low and middling PP's than it is with suited aces. It's hard to make a really strong yet 2nd best hand with A8s or A5s. Yes, we're dominated by bigger aces, but we're not going broke with top pair, no kicker.

And, again, consider the configuration here, pre-flop.

There's a UTG raise, and an immediate 3B next to act. Those should be VERY strong ranges. It's kind of a spew to cold call with a low or middling pair, hoping to set-mine, when we're not closing the action. If there's a 4B, we'll almost certainly have to fold, and our low-middling pairs don't block any of the hands that our opponents might decide to 4B, in a spot where they are heavily incentivized to 4B from OOP.

Compare that to AXs. We block AA, AK, and AQs - some of the hands that might get 4B at some frequency by an EP opener when there's been a 3B. So it's less likely a 4B is coming when we have AXs.

Again, I'm not saying V never has sets here. But I think 55 gets folded a lot pre, and TT gets 4B at some frequency pre. Maybe 88 gets in there as a flat sometimes.

I also think sets are likely to bet bigger on the flop, and not necessarily snap call the turn over-bet donk. The 1/3 pot stab on the flop and the snap call on the turn seem more in line with 1P + the NFD.

When hero only has a 1/2 PSB left behind, if a set was going to bet flop small and continue on the turn, wouldn't a set just want to get it all in versus all hero's semi-bluffs?

All that said - hero turned a straight. If V has a set, we should want to get all the money in on the turn. So, yeah, I think he should just over-bet jam, to target all the 2P, sets, and 1P + draws in V's range.

I struggle to think why we didn't just x/jam turn. Surely villain is betting overpairs and sets when we check to them, why not just get stacks in then?

Rest is whatever compared to that blunder.

i understand checking the turn but for the love of god CR all in please. why would you slowplay this hand? are you afraid if you cr hes going to fold a set or two pair? would you?

pf is fine if you are better than everyone else at the table, you dont do things like above, and dont fold the river after sticking in 1/2 your stack.

and as played just jam the river, obviously, were you thinking of check/folding? or maybe you jammed and ran into a set or T9? if so thats just being results-oriented.

Lol, I do think I am better than everyone at that table, though there were a couple solid players.
I think my preflop open is fine, but in retrospect even with 5:1 pot odds maybe this should have been folded like a bluff, to the 3-bet.

With V's flop bet, last to act on the button, I figured him to have a 1 pair hand, like maybe JJ, Tx, 8x. I thought my turn overbet might look suspicious, like a bluff. So I bet big.

He took about 2 seconds to call the turn.