Turn 2nd nut straight on dangerous board
1-3 nl live, $500 effective stacks. Very splashy game. Main fish in HJ plays a 100% Vpip pre. UTG seems like a TAG style reg.
It’s a 4 or 5 way limped pot. Hero has Ad, 6d.
Flop is 4c, 5c, 7d
UTG bets $15. One limper calls, HJ calls, I call
Pot: $75
Turn is 3s
UTG continues for $40. HJ raises with random uncounted stack of red, about $120. Pot is currently $235.
What do I do here? Btw 8, 6 is totally in the HJ and maybe even UTG range since it’s a limped pot, but I don’t know if that should really factor into the line I take.
4 Replies
Can’t see a reason to raise
You could call and play defensively - you probably both have a six. No reason to think villain has the nuts. But if you do call, you have to be ready get it all in later and not back out.
On the other hand, if you’re going to play cautiously, you should fold now with only $15 invested. You’re likely facing a chopped pot at best, maybe a three way chop. Waiting for a better spot could be a good idea.
I don’t think either choice is bad and it would depend a lot on my reads of the players. I would certainly call if I thought HJ could be on a flush draw & UTG would fold. Otherwise, I’m going to let it go often. No worries
I like betting a OESD as a semi-bluff, but I would have raised the flop $60 if I was taking that line. Not sure how the dynamics would have changed?
Folding is fine. It’s very likely both of them have a 6. If someone has 68 you’re gonna lose a huge pot. Also possible someone has 6cc. Sure we could try to win 1/3 of the middle but I’m not sure the risk reward is there.
Grunch:
It would help to know your position here. It doesn't change a whole lot, though. I'm probably not folding AXs from late position in a splashy game with an MP player VPIP'ing 100%.
PRE - see above. Over-limping from LP with A6s seems fine in this set-up.
FLOP - I kinda want to raise here. My reasoning is that the UTG TAG isn't likely to have a whole lot of thick value on 754, and we don't mind thinning the field a bit here.
Our hand has just enough going on to think we can barrel across a ton of turns - any A, any 3, any 8, any 6, any diamond - and we block the nuts, making it less likely anyone is going to 3B us. If UTG does 3B us, that sucks, but it's a pretty trivial fold.
All that said, we have one over, an OESD, and a BDFD, so I guess we can call and see what develops on the turn. It's just going to be difficult to continue if we don't pick up any equity and face a large barrel.
TURN - HJ is almost always completely FOS here. And we block the nuts. What are we scared of?
If the board was completely rainbow, I might flat call, but with the FDFD and a one-liner to a 6 out there, I want to get some value now. I think a min-click is going to fold out everyone but the HJ, who may jam with worse, or call, and be hard-pressed to fold any hand he's raising for value here when we bet brick rivers.
Just pray the river is a brick, or an 8, if you're really worried about him having 86. Pray he doesn't have 96, I guess.
If HJ shows up with 86, so be it. Tap the table and reload. If your read is that he's VPIP'ing 100%, his turn "didn't even bother to count it out" raising range is going to have 62, A2, 65, 54, 76, XXcc, 22, 33, 44, 75, 53, AcQx, and a whole lot of other random $hlt that we beat.
The only thing I'd be worried about here is V free-rolling us with some 6Xcc combo, or 96. But, again, his range has so many bluffs in it that we can't let that stop us from getting value with a raise.
All the above said - I wouldn't be shocked if HJ does have some 6x combo, and thinks his hand is invulnerable. I expect to chop here a lot. But that's another reason why we can and should raise. There's a non-zero percent chance he finds a hero fold with 62 or whatever that is worried we have 6Xcc or just 86.
Fold flop
Fold turn
Easy game.