President Donald Trump
I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?
So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at
That's not a conservative view though, that's a centrist democrat view. More centrist democrats than MAGA would agree with the claim that the american militaries prevent genocides worldwide.
Remember you are talking to an american, not a european, when you talk with him. Normal centrist democrats would be far right for some claims in europe, but they still aren't american conservatives.
I don't think so, on the whole. Ever since the failure in Vietnam the US has been viewed as weak and unable to accept casualties. (It only took a couple of truck bombs to make Reagan withdraw the Marines from Lebanon in 1984, tail between legs.) US and allied military power may deter the Chinese from seizing Taiwan for now, but it doesn't deter them from oppressing and eliminat
After vietnam there was a widespread realization that a lot of boots on the ground wouldn't happen again soon (it actually took less than expected, but only because the USA was attacked on it's own soil).
But the threat of carpet bombing any capital into oblivion and with it the families and wealth of the elite of any rogue country remained.
The deterrence only exists for non-nuclear opponents ofc, nuclear armed countries can do what they want domestically. Saddam gassed the kurds because he was allowed to gas the kurds (probably because Turkey asked the USA to allow that). When he did something he wasn't allowed to do, his capital got carpet bombed, his elite got annihilated, and he got massacred like a common criminal.
It only took longer because of vietnam, so the first iteration was "only" brutal but without going allin. Second round americans took no prisoners.
Look at Iran, Thailand, Cambodia, Pakistan and India just in the last couple of months. American intervention did make a difference.
??? since when is wanting to keep global peace and stability a conservative position. things like NATO, UN, international law, etc are fundamental pillars of modern liberalism.
it’s the conservative position that the US should withdraw from the world stage historically. That’s why Donald Trump had it as a pillar of his platform. And he mostly asks “what are these other countries doing for us? why should I care how it will hurt them?” as the central questions of his foreign policy.
things like NATO, UN, international law, etc are fundamental pillars of modern liberalism.
I think you missed the memo on these things. America and Israel no longer support these institutions.
??? since when is wanting to keep global peace and stability a conservative position. things like NATO, UN, international law, etc are fundamental pillars of modern liberalism.it’s the conservative position that the US should withdraw from the world stage historically. That’s why Donald Trump had it as a pillar of his platform. And he mostly asks “what are these other countries
In ultra radically leftist europe (for these topics) , it's almost only the center right with few exceptions these days that agrees with the idea that the west militaries, led by the USA , can be a positive force for good worldwide.
Remember that the normie left position is fully pro Hamas and against Israel and against everyone who doesn't condemn Israel as basically enemies of humanity, in europe. As redic as victor can sound to you that's the normie leftist position around here: USA the biggest force of evil worldwide because they sell weapon to Israel. That's how lost and inimical to everything good the left is in europe.
I think you missed the memo on these things. America and Israel no longer support these institutions.
Do you have reading comprehension issues? What part of that quoted passage said that they do currently support those things?
I have said time and again that Trump’s hatred of international law and our historical allies is one of his most dangerous qualities.
Do you have reading comprehension issues? What part of that quoted passage said that they do currently support those things?
I have said time and again that Trump’s hatred of international law and our historical allies is one of his most dangerous qualities.
Biden and the Dems disavowed international law. maybe you forgot. you cant offload this on Trump.
your entire argument is that the US foreign policy is good bc it avoids worse outcomes. and as proof of that you use these International organizations. but your whole argument is nonsensical bc the US has never adhered to international law or upheld it.
I think you missed the memo on these things. America and Israel no longer support these institutions.
Maybe you start realizing the distinction between democrats and republicans
Biden and the Dems disavowed international law. maybe you forgot. you cant offload this on Trump.
your entire argument is that the US foreign policy is good bc it avoids worse outcomes. and as proof of that you use these International organizations. but your whole argument is nonsensical bc the US has never adhered to international law or upheld it.
Which international law to which the USA is a subject of, did the Biden admin disavowe? you aren't talking about a court the USA isn't a signatory of right? right?
Centrist democrats are conservative. Note the small c.
Biden and the Dems disavowed international law. maybe you forgot. you cant offload this on Trump.
your entire argument is that the US foreign policy is good bc it avoids worse outcomes. and as proof of that you use these International organizations. but your whole argument is nonsensical bc the US has never adhered to international law or upheld it.
My argument is that the US on the whole prevents more genocides and conflicts than it causes, and that removing the US as the dominant power in the world will mean more wars and more frequent wars.
That doesn’t mean I have to agree with every foreign policy decision the US ever made. I just see that others in their place (like Europe which literally had meetings to carve up Africa at a time when the US for a hundred years had a policy of getting them out of the Western hemisphere due to their colonialism) have faired worse, and there has been relative peace and prosperity with US at the helm.
Remember that these comparisons don’t happen in a vacuum. When the US gained power this was on the tail end of two world wars. And so far, the US has avoided such a conflict by both sabotaging their enemies power and successfully using diplomacy. Of course it hasn’t all been peaceful or nice, but much better than two global total wars breaking out and other continents literally getting carved to pieces.
and you misunderstood why I brought up international agencies. I pointed out the international community has been supported by liberals and is a pillar of liberal foreign policy. To claim it’s conservative to believe in a strong US that supports our allies is just weird lefty nonsense. Liberalism is not anti-interventionism and isolationism, those are conservative, “America first” positions (and also far lefties who think it is a moral good to weaken the US).
??? since when is wanting to keep global peace and stability a conservative position..
Swallowing uncritically the skewed lessons from your high school have turned you into a perfect example of a modern American, ignorant and unquestioning in all your stupidity, arrogant in the correctness of all your views.
Swallowing uncritically the skewed lessons from your high school have turned you into a perfect example of a modern American, ignorant and unquestioning in all your stupidity, arrogant in the correctness of all your views.
You literally just swallow whole “current thing” from your side. You have no right to say anyone is uncritically doing anything.
Anyway notice how you want to move away from the original thing you brought up and talk about something else? This is why I think you are a dishonest PoS.
Also MAGA: we need to ban trans athletes cuz we care deeply about womens’ sports
enjoy your lucy forum.
you guys are ****ing idiots letting him spew his garbage here.
Both parties bow the knee to Israel.
More than 30 years ago a popular pundit referred to the U.S. Congress as "Israeli-occupied territory." As true now as it was then.
I grant you that .
Ignore is a glorious thing.
Mind boggling stupidity
If a Radical Left Court ruled against us at this late date, in an attempt to bring down or disturb the largest amount of money, wealth creation and influence the U.S.A. has ever seen, it would be impossible to ever recover, or pay back, these massive sums of money and honor,” Trump said in a Truth Social post. “It would be 1929 all over again, a GREAT DEPRESSION!”
Mind boggling stupidity
If a Radical Left Court ruled against us at this late date, in an attempt to bring down or disturb the largest amount of money, wealth creation and influence the U.S.A. has ever seen, it would be impossible to ever recover, or pay back, these massive sums of money and honor,” TrumpI know right. He's single handedly wiped out our trade deficit with this novel strategy no one ever considered and sent the stock market to all time highs. He's a connoisseur of history and referenced the period of untold riches that existed in early 1900s. Back when we were great!!! Soon our national debt will disappear too
for you from the UK. For an american, tories are liberals, no one is on the actual right, and reform is a very moderate center right party.
No, you still don't get it. Small c conservatives want to keep things very much as they are. Centrist Dems like CRD very much fit this description because they've swallowed all the propaganda from school and TV about American Exceptionalism because they were never encouraged to think for themselves (for obvious reasons).
So the fool proudly spouts garbage about how great US foreign policy has been because that's what has been drummed into him from birth.
