AKs preflop multiway, 4-bet or call?

Probably fold unless you have other reads.

Maybe it's a cold 4bet if utg opens super loose, hj 3bets super wide.

I would cold 4bet this. Sounds like V1 has a wide enough range. V3 should be relatively strong opening UTG, but he should fold a lot here.

What Dan just said. (Though see below...) We 4!'ing to something like 110, or 150?

OTOH, H calls, the rec probably comes along, H might get the button, and H's hand plays great multiway. Also disguises, yet caps, H's hand a bit.

Folding AKs in-position to a 3-bet? I never considered this. But maybe it's worth thinking about.

To the flop:

This is a decent squeeze spot for V1. We have a lot of immediate fold equity with a 4B and we can represent AA/KK on certain runouts, pressuring QQ-TT. This is likely one of our only bluffs and part of a good 4 betting strategy. I have no cold calls in this spot.

On the flop: I don't even know. I kind of looks V1 has AK as well or maybe AA. I think we can only call though given the board connectivity and having multiple players behind. Maybe we can bluff scare cards if the pot is heads up to the turn.

I'd 4B pre. We can make it $125.

Call.

To the turn:

Easy fold, his range TJ/QQ/KQ/Ak/aa/99/some combo draws

Preflop definitely 4b’ing to $125-140 ish. Bombing flop also. Not real sure AP what to do with it.

I might fold flop (from the comfort of my bedroom, whether I'd do it in real time is another matter). Top pair against three opponents on this board, with little opportunity to improve, feels like a very bad situation, perhaps peeling one is OK in case we're up against something like AQ but I'm not happy with it. Turn is a clear fold.

I'm a huge nit but this looks like a great spot for a 4bet pre. We are showing enormous strength, if we take it down it's a coup and if we are called, we can play a hand IP. I would call a shove from V3 if no-one else came along since it's 80bb effective.

I would make it $140 given V3's stack size.

AP I call flop.

AP I fold turn.

H's really underrepped his hand is the reason I don't want to fold this just yet. H calls, pot'll be 835, with 465 back -> H ain't folding. (I'm assuming the rec folds.) V isn't folding. Ofc, everyone is saying fold now...

What's V1's HJ 3! range over a competent V's UTG open and a caller? I don't think 99 or JTs is in it. They might be in CO's call a 3! range, at ~16:1 IO. (Maybe not JTs, especially with V1 left to act.) Moreover, is V1 betting only 1/3 on KQ9 2-tone with KK/QQ/KQ, 4-ways? Maybe.

H has invested 115. To beat folding now, and assuming it's all going in at the river, H needs to not lose more than that by calling. With a final projected pot of $1765 (800 + 800 + rec's 115 + V3's 50) at the river, if H had 38.9% equity, they'd lose 115 and thus be indifferent to folding or shoving now.

Does H have at least 38.9% now? Obv, that depends on V's range. If it's only super value (QQ+, AK, KQ, and a few royal diamond draws), H has only 23%. Add in all of the AQ combos, and H is over 43%. Adding in various broadway Kx obviously makes it even better for H. So, what is this V 3!'ing with, and then betting 1/3 and 1/2 on a pretty wet board?

TL;DR: I don't think betting a touch over half pot on the turn, necessarily means that V is nutted and H has to fold, when H is pretty high up in their range and only needs 39%.

I 4bet pre vs. this line-up. Probably calling flop, but I'd consider a raise if I thought either of the other Vs were weak.

Turn is whatever. From here I fold and kick myself for not 4betting pre; in game I probably silently sigh-call.

In retrospect, I do think I should have 4-bet preflop.

Results:

Raise $120
You can’t call & you can’t fold.

I like your situation: in position to see who wants to jump in there with you.

Have to fold there. Barely a bluff catcher.

Just got to the flop, now raise $220
What else do you want?

Went to 3rd part & see you called
Now being asked to call a bet into 2 people on a very coordinated board. The way this has gone, I’m letting it go now

Read the end…
You folded too late

Often, in responding to hand histories, I have come to understand the solvers point of view.

It can be hard to say what I would do late, if you haven’t done what I would have done earlier.

I guess H could've folded after all, lol...

Speech + shove usually means a Bad Time. Glad you folded. FWIW, I don't think V folds 2P+ if you shove turn, (and I think V might've had KK now) so I'm really glad you didn't follow my advice.

Probably cheaper if we 4!/f pre. Live and learn.

It's a tough spot. Not beating you up for flatting pre. It's possible we're chopping with AK, but we lose to pretty much everything else V1 would be betting for value on the turn, and I can't imagine he'd ever be bluffing into multiple opponents on this board.

If this were heads up, and we thought V was terrible, or too aggro, or the bet was smaller, or we had any reason to make an optimistic call, I could see calling. But when it's multi-way and V keeps barreling as the board gets uglier, I'd lean more towards folding.

I suppose we could make a case for turning our hand into a bluff, because we'll have all the JT here, and V1 won't, but that seems like a play we could only justify if this was heads up, and preferably just a SRP.

With V2 still in the hand, and with the action to this point, I don't know how credible it would be. We wouldn't seem to have enough fold equity nor enough certainty that we'd be pushing V off a chop rather than running face-first into a brick wall.

I do wonder if he ever folds AA/AK or better to a raise here, and what the best hand he'd fold would be. He'd have to be pretty MUBsy to fold KQ.

Cold call is fine.