President Donald Trump
I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?
So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at
Then why is Sydney being half naked on tv positive and Lena Dunham being naked on tv not positive?
Inso, I’m still not following this. Can you help me understand? Having seen quite a bit of the show as it was running, I don’t recall Dunhams nudity being used to preach that unhealthy standards of living are to be celebrated. Why is her nudity not positive?
End of the day, the endgame as best as I can tell is the far right is littered with a **** ton of horny guys who want it to be ok to sexualize anyone they want whenever they can and reduce to recipient and their value to humanity to ‘teehee they think I’m hot’ I cite as evidence the following mouthpieces who are at the forefront for Sweeney:1. Trump. Who is on record that he ge
Yeah it doesn’t take a genius to understand that the “retvrn to traditional gender roles” crowd that wants to ban IVF, abortion, and contraceptives isn’t about empowering women.
You’re mixing up streams of ideologies, which is not surprising as woke is a vibe more than anything else. But anyway the point about magazine covers is about photoshop making women hate their bodies. They literally remove stretch marks/lines/facial textures/make boobs bigger and wastes smaller/squish people’s ribcages together. That’s a completely separate point from women usi
The reason I said "so to speak" after mentioning "woke" is because I know the term is quite ambiguous and people have a hard time agreeing on what it actually means. It can be defined, but that's for another thread. I didn't want say it in a necessarily derogatory way since some things that others consider woke, I would agree with, but I wouldn't define them as woke. That probably goes for most political ideologies (i.e., conservative, progressive, liberal, etc). Nothing means what it means, but I had to choose something.
As for conservatives aligning themselves with sexual empowerment, I agree with you insofar as it relates to the Christian right, but I know a ton of conservatives that aren't prudes about that stuff. Playboy centerfolds and posters of American flag bikini clad models in hang in conservative garages across the country.
I get what you're saying about photoshopping magazine covers or airbrushing pictures or whatever, but that wasn't what I was trying to get at. It had to do with the idea that beauty standards do exist, women aren't objectifying themselves when they flaunt it, and rallying against that sort of thing is a waste of time.
Neither dud I but apparently she is a Nazi for making a NYT crossword level pun. I can't help but point out that the liberals don't consider the people slaughtering children for fun to be Nazis.
The reason I said "so to speak" after mentioning "woke" is because I know the term is quite ambiguous and people have a hard time agreeing on what it actually means. It can be defined, but that's for another thread. I didn't want say it in a necessarily derogatory way since some things that others consider woke, I would agree with, but I wouldn't define them as woke. That proba
Sexual objectification isn't the same as sexual empowerment.
Like Inso0 coming in off the top rope to rally about Sweeney boobs being all American and Dunhams boobs causing sadness and despair, their idea of sexual empowerment has all the nuance and complexity of a 12 year old
Just like conservative manosphere nonsense thinks women should be sexual tyrannosauruses but also having a few sexual partners is a few too many. Their whole worldview is rife with ignorant contradictions
The virality of Sweeney is not being amplified by a woke mob. It's being amplified by the actual president. This conversation is one to have, it detracts from what is going on here though. We can agree to 'both sides' this, but then acknowledge that one side is doing a lot more kicking and screaming than the other
That's fine, but Inso0 mentioned how lefties consider actions like hers belittling to women, and while that's not always the case, it's not uncommon. Then CRD made the joking comment about lefties hating sex work and republicans being sex positive, which is what I was responding to.
Yeah it doesn’t take a genius to understand that the “retvrn to traditional gender roles” crowd that wants to ban IVF, abortion, and contraceptives isn’t about empowering women.
Yeah, its really hard to put into words how contradictory the whole conservative ecosystem is towards sexual liberation.
Neither dud I but apparently she is a Nazi for making a NYT crossword level pun. I can't help but point out that the liberals don't consider the people slaughtering children for fun to be Nazis.
Please don’t ever change
Neither dud I but apparently she is a Nazi for making a NYT crossword level pun. I can't help but point out that the liberals don't consider the people slaughtering children for fun to be Nazis.
being off twitter is empowering because I have not seen a single person say this and I doubt it was the libs getting mad but actually people like you and liberals got blamed for it
Yeah it doesn’t take a genius to understand that the “retvrn to traditional gender roles” crowd that wants to ban IVF, abortion, and contraceptives isn’t about empowering women.
Amusingly we’re going through IVF right now, which is psychotically expensive, which will be subsidized exactly $0 by a government who demands we have more kids, and my super MAGA mother in law seems disgusted by the process and legitimately asked my wife why I didn’t just **** someone else with a higher fertility likelihood to transfer the egg into her AS GOD INTENDED
Anyway, SHOW US YOUR TITS!!!
Sexual objectification isn't the same as sexual empowerment.Like Inso0 coming in off the top rope to rally about Sweeney boobs being all American and Dunhams boobs causing sadness and despair, their idea of sexual empowerment has all the nuance and complexity of a 12 year old Just like conservative manosphere nonsense thinks women should be sexual tyrannosauruses but also havin
I wasn't trying to defend or even respond to everything Inso0 said, just pointing out that a lot of people on the left contradicts themselves as well. They do this when they say Sweeney is objectifying herself and then argue that porn is empowerment. In some cases, sure, but have you seen the **** on those sites?
I wasn't trying to defend or even respond to everything Inso0 said, just pointing out that a lot of people on the left contradicts themselves as well. They do this when they say Sweeney is objectifying herself and then argue that porn is empowerment. In some cases, sure, but have you seen the **** on those sites?
I find the claim that a lot of people on the left think porn is empowerment is questionable
Having the choice to be a pornstar is empowerment. Having OF as an option is empowerment. Maybe for some women being objectified is empowering. Sydney Sweeney might feel empowered right now making an ad that amounts to "look at my tits" and having a bunch of people look at her tits. The whole conversation around her tits being the vehicle for Republican feminine dominance is about as far from empowerment as one could possibly go, though.
The general idea is that feeling sexy is empowering and that feeling sexy isn't limited to women with great racks like Sydney Sweeney and thats why Lena Dunham getting naked on tv is supposed to be empowering
Having the choice to be a pornstar is empowerment. Having OF as an option is empowerment. Maybe for some women being objectified is empowering. Sydney Sweeney might feel empowered right now making an ad that amounts to "look at my tits" and having a bunch of people look at her tits. The whole conversation around her tits being the vehicle for Republican feminine dominance i
Choice and empowerment aren't synonymous. In most cases, the industry chews women up and leaves them emotionally and physically damaged. It's decadent, corrupt, coercive, abusive, etc. I can't think of any voices on the left who call it out for what it is, but there are probably some. I value individual freedom and don't think it should be banned, and I'm not exactly sure what should be done to make it better, but let's not kid ourselves.
Choice is literally the defining aspect of being empowered
Thats why "My body my choice" is the rallying cry of feminist empowerment
And why Republicans unilaterally using Sydney's boobs to push a political agenda is "as far from empowerment" as possible
being off twitter is empowering because I have not seen a single person say this and I doubt it was the libs getting mad but actually people like you and liberals got blamed for it
you kind of undermine your argument when you preface it by saying you are ignorant of the situation
Choice is literally the defining aspect of being empowered
Thats why "My body my choice" is the rallying cry of feminist empowerment
It's an aspect of it, but feeling stronger and more confident is also a defining quality and clearly implied when most people talk about empowerment. When it comes to women in porn, it usually has the opposite effect.
you kind of undermine your argument when you preface it by saying you are ignorant of the situation
ignorant of what situation? I was aware of the sydney sweeney stuff primarily mediated through other social media/political commentary that is liberal in nature, all of them not caring at all about the ad and pointing out how overwrought trump’s response is.
but sure please show all the libs getting mad about it
its def possible the truckloads of mainstream articles are blowing this up too much for clicks. its just kind of weird to act like there wasnt any controversy around this, even if manufactured considering the story is the controversy.
connecting everything to eugenics is usually associated in my mind with she/they communists that sell only fans for the revolution and tell people to read theory. and those types are definitely likely to agree with your gaza takes over mine.
also “some users” doesn’t indicate that they’re liberals, it indicates “some users”
its def possible the truckloads of mainstream articles are blowing this up too much for clicks. its just kind of weird to act like there wasnt any controversy around this, even if manufactured considering the story is the controversy.
I didn’t say there wasn’t any controversy did I? I said it was overwrought and probably not coming from libs. I suspect if there was people mad about it, it was people like you.
