Multiway Check raise with one BB behind

They are probably confused about why you are referring to it as a blind. Or why you are asking for it back if you haven't bet it. Like don't you think?

I pushed out all of my chips except for 6 white chips, the BB was 5 dollars.

Then the dealer thought i was all in and put out an all-in sign.

Then she pulls all the chips in the middle. I asked if I can have my 5 dollars back, because I said, I wasn't all in.

I told her I'm not all in, but I can be all in. Then I reevaluated and asked for my 5 dollars back before she dealt the flop.

I was a little bit confused, but I don't think I'm allowed to change my bet size after I already made the decision after the fact. I don't think the other players realized I wasn't all in they probably just saw the dealer throw out the all-in chip.

I also realized I can reopen the betting on the turn or river in case the SB wanted to Check Raise, getting me heads up for the pot. This was a Bomb Pot, BTW.

I agree. I was not all in. I did not verbally announce I pushed out all of my chips except for 1 BB.

Therefore, I was correct to ask her to not have me all in after I thought about it for a minute.

The dealer made the mistake, but I corrected her before the flop was dealt!

Yeah the dealer mistake started the confusion. Calling your remaining stack a "blind" at that point probably added to it. Offering to change your bet is strange too — neither you nor the dealer can do that. So it's a rare situation in total.

Kind of an advanced move. I see and enjoy the logic.

To save further confusion, I think you mean the turn here.

The flop action was checked to the button, and he bet flop for about 300, SB called, Action was to me, and I put out almost all of my stack which had around 800 or so in it, but I had 1 BB left. The button and SB both flat called my check raise.

I can still reopen the betting on the turn or the river possibly if the SB checks, which would allow him to check-raise, which could get me heads up for the bomb pot instead of 3 ways.

I am always amazed that people go almost all in as if it will change anything.

Why in the world would the SB wait to c/r a 1 bb bet in a hand where there are like over 500 bb's in the pot? Why wouldn't the SB just make the large bet on the turn to begin with? Especially if he had a made hand and there were draws that the BTN could win with? By the river if it had checked around on the turn imagine hoping that the guy with 1 bb left is going to bet so you can c/r...

I do understand why it is done in tournaments when there may be other short stacks and there are pay jumps or we are on or near the bubble. But then they usually don't make it 1 BB left. They keep at least 3 BB's so they can make it around the table through the blinds again. But really the only reason why people do that in tournaments is to make it look like they could lose the hand when they actually have the nuts. And the bottom line is if the bet is made before the river then one of the players is going all in on the next street. Often it is done in the dark where one person goes all in before the dealer deals the next card. And typically it is called in the dark.

I have to say though it did happen to me once in a Foxwoods tournament on the river. I basically had the nuts and the Villain made a huge bet on the river. I raised and it turned out he had like 700 chips left after his bet. And he folded (my guess is because he didn't want to have to show his bluff if he called). There was over 50,000 chips in the pot. And its not like he cashed. He was going to have to double up a bunch of times to get back in it.

Your point about the size of the pot is a good one and funny after a second read of the action, but calling it a "check-raise", while technically accurate, obscures what is going on here. There is a bit of implicit collusion that effectively reverses the positions of SB and BTN.

By leaving himself 1BB, EP is basically saying: "Hey, I am going to bet the rest of this on my next action."

So SB can check, then EP donks his 1BB as planned. Now BTN is effectively first to act. He can either make a real bet or call for 0.2% of flop bets alone (check to SB). He cannot check through.

Of course, this all assumes that EP is clutching his 1BB for this exact reason, and as you said the value of the move is diminished here because of the lol-sized pot.

I leave sometimes a few blinds in cashgames behind oop but only if i want to Protect my Range. Last aggressor has to Show First in an all in situations at my Casino.

If you did not push the chips out and you did not say "all in", what is the dealer supposed to give you back?

Are you trying to say the dealer reached over and pulled in your $6 you held back? How? THAT is the instant you should have protested. Nobody is going to reach into my chips behind and pull them forward w/o me objecting (and likely doing more than that.)

What you are saying just doesn't seem to track with reality.

No you had $6 behind. The extra $1 is in play unless whites only play in increments of $5. But if that is true, you are now saying the dealer knew your partial stack pushed out was an increment of $5 AND then also reached into your stack, counted out 5 chips, left 1 chip behind, AND YOU NEVER BOTHER TO STOP HER.

If you don't stop her when she reaches into your stack or even when she puts out the "All In" button, you will appear to be trying an angle. Though I don't really see the advantage you are trying to get.

BTW, betting on a future street is NOT reopening action. Sure you can bet or call, when action is on you but that is very different from what reopening action means.

I pushed out most of my stack. The dealer threw out an "all in button", and announced that I was all in.

I still had chips left and I told her I'm not all-in, I still have some chips left. I can be all in though.

Then I pushed put last BB out. Only 5-dollar increments are in play.

Both players flat called my debatable all-in. Then I asked, can I get my 5 dollars back. I wasn't all in on the flop. Can I get my 5 dollars back.

I basically got confused. Then I asked to correct the situation before the turn was dealt.

By the way, the players already were calling whether it was all in or all in minus a big blind. The action happened pretty quickly.

My premise here is that I corrected the dealer mistake. But I asked if OK was if I have the five dollars back. I wasn't making a big deal about it.

On the turn SB checked, and I went all in for 1 BB. Both players called. River sb checks, Button bets, SB folds.

I chopped the double board bomb pot with the button!

I did protest, I told her I wasn't all in. I said it's possible I can get it all in though. I said I can be all in. I tossed the 5 dollars out there, then a few seconds later while they counted up the pot, I asked if I can the 5 dollars back.

I correctly decided that because my bet was already made, that the last 5 dollars should not be in play on the flop.

Whatever you want to call it, reopening the betting or making a bet, I can give SB opportunities to check raise post flop on turn or river, and get the pot HU on the river in a double board bomb pot.

If I were to bet river and button calls, if that happens, or on the turn, he caps his range (in theory in some spots)

You keep changing 'facts'.
"Then she pulls all the chips in the middle. I asked if I can have my 5 dollars back, because I said, I wasn't all in."

Here you don't protest when she toss the all in button.
Nor did you protest when she reached into your stack, counted out $5 more whites to make you all in. You were in early position but not in a blind, so you never put a blind into the pot.

You see. You used a word with a specific meaning in a very non-standard reason. Of course the players and the dealer were confused. They were trying to become fluent in

No dealer is going to toss the all in button AND then reach into what you held back. Heck, if it was a stack of white, she would not even know for certain it was a multiple of 5.

But now you change the facts and say YOU tossed in the extra $5. Why you thought you could go all in makes no sense. But once YOU decided to be all in, thinking that you now have an option to pull back.

You also have more 'non-standard verbiage. Yes the $5 behind certainly was in play on the flop. Btn or SB could have raised. Now as played that $5 behind was not in the pot, but it was in play. All chips that are in play at the start of the hand are in play through the entire hand.

Yes the dealer made the error that started this by tossing the all in button. But you compounded things from there on. You did not immediately protest that. You for some unknown reason thought you could raise yourself to make yourself all in. Then even more unknowable, you thought you now had a choice you could make.

Words have meanings and when you use them in a non-standard way, like asking for your blind back because it wasn't a blind. It just happens to be the same amount as the blind. You were not SB or BB so you never put a blind into the pot. Of course the players and the dealer were confused. They were trying to learn to speak a new language, Kripalu1-speak, on the fly.

Yes, I understand why you think your fancy play caps the btn. But your $5 is meaningless. The SB is just as capped. You are now into the whole concept of betting into a dry side pot on the river. Heck if I think there is any chance the SB will use your opening bet as a check raise (why didn't he just lead because your tiny amount of chips are meaningless in this pot), I will call purely to induce a 'bluff' I can check raise.

Look at it this way, neither SB nor Btn are including you in their thought process for $5 into a $2500 pot. If SB opens for $500 into the dry side, everyone knows you are calling your last $5 and Btn has to decide to call/fold or raise. If SB doesn't open and you do, Btn is well aware SB may check raise. But this is no different from SB opening. The incremental $10 in a $2500 pot will not alter Btn decision nor will it alter SB decisions. A check raise is no different than a open bet in the decision it places on btn. And btn, if he is a thinking player will also use his "capped" range as his 'limp/raise' opportunity so % of the time.

If the dealer throws out the all-in button, if I'm not already all in. I can change my bet to all-in?

I had 6 dollars behind.

She didn't take my chips. I had 6 dollars left in my stack.

I told her it's possible I can change my bet to all in. She agreed, but did she have the authority to authorize the change in bet?

I don't know. I decided once the chips were pulled into the main pot from all 3 players after the dealer made a mistake and then she compounded the mistake by allowing me to change the bet from not all into all in, I correctly (or incorrectly), asked if I can take my 5 dollars back because I wasn't all in.

I just asked her can I have my 5 dollars back because I wasn't all in on the flop.

Unfortunately, she didn't know what she was doing, which happens often in this venue.

No you can't and you knew that. She made the first error. After that you created the problems.

Yes YOU keep changing what YOU are saying. First you said, your EXACT words, "Then she pulls all the chips in the middle. I asked if I can have my 5 dollars back..." But then you said, again your EXACT words, " I tossed the 5 dollars out there..." and you wonder why people around you get confused.

Why not just say...sorry, I am not all in. I have money behind still. And do that as soon as she tosses the all in button. Nah, you decide you are going to change your bet, or did she do it, we really dont know as you keep changing the story.

BTW, this is a pattern in yours posts.

She probably knew just fine but she also probably doesn't speak Kripalu1. I don't know of any place offering that language. When you asked for your blind back, no one knew what you were talking about including your.

But even if she really doesn't know what is going on, I am pretty sure she has company.

You need to make up your mind about what you're doing before you act.

I guess the dealer did make a mistake, but only after you did something bizarre which she had likely never encountered before.
I've certainly never heard someone say "I'm not all in, but I can be", or anything similar.

She may have just misunderstood your actual words, thinking that you were just confirming that you were all in. This is even more likely if English is not your first language.