AK vs donk bet

I call, given how little we have on villain, and while he may have a weak made hand like QJ, or JT, we have no idea if we have fold equity if we raise.

Seems to a shove/fold spot with a SPR of 2 on the flop. If we shove we need 40% equity and we have around 30% v most one pair hands (worst case being QJ or KQ). Previous HH indicates V not likely to be donking with draws, so if you think he's capable of donk/folding you can shove but otherwise I'd let it go.

Villain didn't bluff turn or river IP after calling flop on KJ82J with QT and a huge SPR (more leverage for bluffs).

He can't win against random 55, 87s or even A5s. But he checks it back, twice. And the river was a great bluff card for the flop caller, where most of his Jx hands (esp. the ones Q and T block) play this way.

Now he's firing into the flop OOP with a low SPR on a board that you'll often have something on.

Without more reads that this is 3d chess, I just fold flop and don't think about it much.

I doubt raising has any fold equity, so calling might be better than raising.

with no spade just fold

with a spade you can bluff flush turns AI.

I would limp in but that's my style.

Think I would just fold the flop. We're facing a donk at very low SPR from what looks like a unimaginative straightforward player (all of which leans to low FE if we're thinking of shoving), plus a lot of our overcard "outs" often end up dirty / reverse dominated (against stuff like AQ/KQ/etc.).

Gwedon'thavetowineverypotweplay,especiallywhenwehavenothing,imoG

Agree with illiterat. If I saw the first hand played online, I would tag V as a nit/nitfish and write a note that says "DOES NOT BLUFF" in all caps, then fold all my marginal bluff catchers when he starts betting.

Agree with Nitty that calling is way better with a spade. With your combo, a quarter of the cards that "make your hand" (an ace, king, or jack) either result in your losing the pot or losing your customer. Also better for bluffing, as he said.

Fold with that spr.

villain won the max

Over the last year or so, it seems we've seen quite a lot more HH's here where the villain "surprisingly" shows up with AA/KK. It really shouldn't be a surprise any more. AA/KK, regardless of preflop action, should always be included in the range because they are never folded preflop.

GcluelessrangingnoobG

Given how V played on the earlier hand I put him on over pair + but did not see that coming. I agree it does happen but even omc would 3b AAs - until people realize and he got folded to all the way multiple times, then V starts to call with AA, maybe that is what is happening here

Never folded postflop either, evidently...

Not saying V should've folded here, at 30 straddles, <2 SPR, and with Aces, but you know what I mean.

Agree with illiterat, etc. This V, that read, folding is annoying but fine. They're not playing back at H...

Shove seems OK.

Not surprising. Some 1/3 players never 3! anything.

Shoving is really bad - villain donking like this eliminates the middle of his range so either you're in bad shape or slightly ahead. Even vs KJ we're 69%, AQ 27%, even vs any random Ace with spades we're 47%. I think I might default call here although not too happy, but would say call>fold>shove

There is already money in the pot, so you are getting pot odds to shove as opposed to fold. Then, you should have some FE. Of course, you are almost always a significant underdog if called.

I think call and shove are almost equally as bad. There's so little money behind.

Generally when people donk or show aggression on 2 Broadway boards they're not folding.

Considering pot odds, if he folds any reasonable percentage or has a draw like KJ, Asxs, or even KsJs, a significant portion of the time, then the push is good.

In bad shape against a pair. Worse against a set, 2 pair, or overpair, but you would think some of that would 3!.

Problem is whether he would x/c or x/r a draw rather than donk.

To me that donk looks like a Q a lot of the time. Possibly KK if he is really nitty PF and only 3-bets with AA.

If villain has 2 pair or better wouldn’t he bet bigger or go for a c/r?

My first reaction was to shove but on 2nd thought, a lot of his range is AQ and KQ and we have fewer outs against those hands. And he may not fold AQ, KQ, or QJ. But then again maybe he does fold a Q because if we raise it looks like we have an overpair. I think it’s between shoving and folding.

I do have a concern that villain might be nitty enough that a donk of 50 might seem like a huge bet to him. In that case his range might be stronger than I expected.

And looking at results it was at least a little stronger. I thought AA would surely put in more money PF after we made it 50. Wow.

click it back. Flop donks are usually valuebluffs; they want to see where they're at with some random pair. With a larger SPR I'd say raise 3x but at this size we dont have many options left so just clickit and hope he sigh folds 99 or whatever. If he jams or calls we're done with the hand without improvement. This is true in any donkbet scenario regardless of stack size.

No its not lol.

Grunch: IME until proven otherwise, when standard bad low stakes players donk the flop, they have something like top pair. We have low equity against top pair, so I fold here. If we were significantly deeper or had backdoor Royal Flush, I would call this small bet in position.