2/5, $1200 eff: TPTK faces turn x/r
$2/$5 live, $1200 effective stacks.
6-handed. I’m a tight player and have a solid image at the table.
I open AdQs UTG to $20, only the SB calls — middle-aged Indian rec player, pretty loose pre but not known to bluff rivers or make wild plays.
Flop ($45): QhJh3d
SB checks, I c-bet $25, he calls.
Turn ($95): 6c
SB checks, I bet $75.
He check-raises to $175.
I have TPTK with the Ad, no flush draw.
The raise size is small — only $100 more — which confused me. Not sure if it’s a blocker-type raise with Qx or value from two pair/sets.
What’s your move on the turn? Call and re-evaluate river? Just fold to the check-raise?
9 Replies
Probably fold without reads.
pretty loose pre...so he has 33 and 66 and QJ? presumably he 3 bets JJ and QQ pre?
how does he play draws in general?
feels extremely dirty to fold against a middle aged Indian rec. 100 more into 345? I don't think I'm good enough.
call and re-evaluate. but I'm a station
Check raise on what should be a blank turn ... Basically as strong of an action as it can possibly get.
Without very specific reads, I stick to the beluga theorem and fold
Fold turn as played. But I'd go at least 100 ott.
Can't go wrong with peeling 1 when they raise 40% pot.
I'd fold to a $250+ bet on any river though.
This is one of those spots where you ask yourself how many times have you ever seen someone x/r the turn without the nuts in LLSNL? Like honestly think about it. Is it not universally the most nutted line in the history of the game?
I fold but then I'm bad at poker.
This is an easy fold with a one pair hand, even if it is tptk. Most good players play raise/fold from the sb, but he’s a rec - it could be Q6
Hands you beat like KQ or AJ are unlikely to take this aggressive line. He knows you have a tight image, yet fires a check-raise anyway. Fold now
A major leak I see often is people stacking off with one pair hands. You have few outs to catch up with an apparent 2pair+ hand.
Grunch:
Re, your read of V - my observation of these middle-aged Indian recs is that they're loose both pre and post, almost never bluff, but also tend to miss value when they show up with some weirdly strong hand they shouldn't have, like showing up with Q6 here (haven't read past the OP yet, if that's what he ends up having).
PRE - Seems pretty standard. I might argue for a larger open size if we know V is over-defending from the blinds. Otherwise, 4BB seems fine.
FLOP - Your 1/2 pot c-bet in a SRP seems standard, but here again, if we know V likes to chase his draws and isn't as price-sensitive as he ought to be, I could make an argument for c-betting larger. When he calls, I doubt he has 2P+, but he definitely has some piece of the board.
TURN - I don't hate the 80% pot barrel. I wouldn't mind a PSB or over-bet on this card that looks like a total brick. He's unlikely to put more money into the pot for us when he has a worse hand, and his draws are going to be pretty inelastic.
As played, when he check-raises, I'd probably fold QT and worse hands. Here, I think we can call and evaluate the river. Mostly just checking back if he checks to us. Never trying to bluff this guy off of 2P, even if the flush comes in. But if the river is an A, even the Ah, I'm going for value.
