NL10 QJ Two Pair on Turn in 3bet Pot
Hello, I had some problems with this hand:
Pacific Poker - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
CO: 102 BB
BTN: 39 BB
SB: 110 BB
BB: 103.6 BB
UTG: 111.1 BB
Hero (MP): 104.9 BB
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q♠ J♠
fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, BTN calls 2.5 BB, SB raises to 12.2 BB, fold, Hero calls 9.7 BB, fold
Flop: (27.9 BB, 2 players) 5♠ 8♦ J♣
SB bets 7 BB, Hero calls 7 BB
Turn: (41.9 BB, 2 players) Q♥
SB bets 28.1 BB, Hero?
Is this a call or shove with a Flop SPR of 3, 3? I'd appreciate some help
Villain seemed to be a reg with 13% 3Bet Preflop
6 Replies
IP, even if the SPR isn't ideal, I'd prefer a call. You're not worried about too many river cards, and if you shove here, you're almost never being called by worse if he's a reg.
Thanks!
What do you think is his range for line bet flop, bet turn? I think you beat AA, KK, AQ, KQ, AK (?),
Hands that beats you 88, JJ, QQ. Do not like raising since it seems like you wont get called by worse.
If you call you will have hard decision on river often.
If he is 3beeting alot, what about 4bet/fold (I hope we can still fold in this case if he ships). At least this way it seems more straightforward that that postflop stuff.
Preflop :
I dont think call is here the best option. I would like 4b or fold more because of the Bu wich we give a great price to either call and then we are in a sandwich vs 2 players = very poor EQ realisation or Bu can even decide to go all in with hands like low pockets and AJ AQ type hands etc. with all the dead money in the pot already.
If bu calls the spr is already around 2.3 so if you flop for example a flushdraw or a opesd etc you will not see often enough the river and also if you flop a top pair you would need to already fold flop in some cases for example flop comes Q87 and sb bet small then calling a Q here seems not great if sb check we check bu can stab often sb call and we need to fold. (just some szenarios that showes the poor eq realisation and reveresed implied odds)
When we 4b we fold out hands like AQo, KJs etc so less reversed implied odds and our eq realisation increases as soon we get called because we are the aggressor and can decide to check the flop back etc.
As played raising turn would be a big punt imo because you isolate yourself vs better. Just think about your percieved range and put yourself into villains shoes it is very hard to find bluffs here so if he is a reg he will find to often the fold with AA KK and the worst part here is that we fold out AK wich he has 16 combos and wich will barrel river very often or if he pick up a A or K he can check call and put us on hands like 99 TT JT etc. so alot of implied odds.
Thanks for the replies. I made the mistake and went allin on the turn. He called with a hand I didn‘t expect him to have in a 3-Bet pot, he showed T9s. Against a Range of AA, KK, QQ, JJ, 88, AQ and T9s I had an Equity of 50% regarding flopzilla, but I understand that he would fold the worst Part of this Range against an allin…
Pure fold pre imo. Even KQs should be a marginalish but still slightly +EV call. The fact that the we're up against a linear (and wide based on aggressive 3bet stat) pre squeeze range and risk playing postflop 3way in squeezed position, and we're often dominated by AJ, AQ, KQ and BW pairs makes calling not on option pre. When we're calling SC's here I would prefer some of the lower ones like 54s, 65s etc. As played I think no reason to jam against a large turn cbet here, just call and let them jam or check/fold check/call their overpairs and JX, which they should have more than sets or straights depending on river and hero river action ofc.
4betting pre could also be a thing if we know villain squeezes way too wide here and BTN's flat range isn't trappy, but would need to run a preflop sim for this spot to say for sure, just guessing.