NL10 - TT in 4bet pot
Hi guys
Villain is a NL10 zoom reg. And I was thinking about the spot in the following way:
I was giving him a 4 bet calling range of mainly ATs-AJs, AQo, KTs-KQs, 99-JJ.
On the flop I expect him to be folding all the Kx without the FD. Also I would expect him to raise his FDs here sometimes.
On the turn I didn't expect him to shove any FDs, since I was showing constant aggression, therefore I was putting him on trips or better.
What do you guys think?
[converted_hand][hand_history]PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3
BTN: $10.20 (102 bb)
SB: $10.45 (104.5 bb)
BB: $12.40 (124 bb)
UTG: $11.79 (117.9 bb)
MP: $10.40 (104 bb)
Hero (CO): $11.45 (114.5 bb)
SB posts $0.05, BB posts $0.10
Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has T♣ T♦
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.23, BTN raises to $0.82, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.30, BTN calls $1.48
Flop: ($4.75, 2 players) 4♣ J♥ J♣
Hero bets $1.20, BTN calls $1.20
Turn: ($7.15, 2 players) 9♥
Hero bets $1.70, BTN raises to $6.70 and is all-in, Hero folds
Results: $10.55 pot ($0.47 rake)
Final Board: 4♣ J♥ J♣ 9♥
BTN wins $10.08
[/hand_history][/converted_hand]
8 Replies
I could be wrong but I think calling BTNs 3b is better at micros where they will have less bluffs, as its already 50/50 call/raise in GTO. please correct my thinking if wrong.
Rest of hand I think seems fine but for me I would probably check turn.
How do you see his 3 bet range, do you think it is that light? What are you trying to achieve here by 4bet? For value?
I think his 4b calling range can be more nitty and can contain AA, KK, QQ sometimes (?).
Isnt it better to just call 3bet and get value from a lot more hands he has in his 3bet range?
Maybe this is a bad assumption, but if I play a reg in NL10z with a relatively small sample (<300 Hands) I expect them to 3bet me with a slightly tighter than GTO range in BU vs. CO of:
99+; AJo+; A9s+; A4s-A5s; KTs+; QTs+; JTs
Therefore I shall 4bet TT for value.
What do you think?
4bet is fine, you just want to fold out hands you are flipping against like AJo, AQo, KQo or which have good equity against TT like A9s that BTN can easily navigate postflop with position if you just call. I would not call it "for value" because you are not doing very well against their calling range though.
Regarding their preflop 4bet calling range, for what it's worth they are supposed to flat AA, AQs, but AQo almost never. Although between the theory and what people do in this spot, I believe there is some gap...
The solver likes to go all-in on the turn with your hand here, balancing with flush draws like KhTh or QhTh, forcing villain to call with 88 or AhQh for example, but obviously very high variance play + might be completely wrong against your villain.
4bet pots are not easy to play!
Maybe this is a bad assumption, but if I play a reg in NL10z with a relatively small sample (<300 Hands) I expect them to 3bet me with a slightly tighter than GTO range in BU vs. CO of:
99+; AJo+; A9s+; A4s-A5s; KTs+; QTs+; JTs
Therefore I shall 4bet TT for value.
What do you think?
If it is for value, then question s what worse hands are calling your 4bet (to get value from). I think most of range you suggested will fold, thus we are turning TT into bluff (to my understanding)?
Please correct me if I am wrong.
4bet is fine, you just want to fold out hands you are flipping against like AJo, AQo, KQo or which have good equity against TT like A9s that BTN can easily navigate postflop with position if you just call. I would not call it "for value" because you are not doing very well against their calling range though.Regarding their preflop 4bet calling range, for what it's worth they ar
So as I stated post above, we are turning TT into bluff? But in my option it does make sense, playing TT OOP against 2 overs can be tough.
What is your 4bet range in general in such spots and how you continue with broadways if they does not connect with flop?
Thanks
I could be wrong but I think calling BTNs 3b is better at micros where they will have less bluffs, as its already 50/50 call/raise in GTO. please correct my thinking if wrong.
Rest of hand I think seems fine but for me I would probably check turn.
Very villain dependent IMO. A lot of 10-20NL regs are 3betting BTN vs CO wide (12-14), but they can get away with it bc most don't adapt by opening tighter and 4betting more. Been in this spot often and seen a lot of LSC's, MSC's, JTs, QJs, ALs, small and mid pockets at sd after calling. Then OTOH this is zoom on a high rake site, so the pool is probably a bit nittier than where I play, so therefore yeah maybe just call pre.
As played I would be tempted to b-call the turn here if villain's 3bet is more than 11, but I'd rather do that with TsTd. The reason I think call would be fine is because while it's probably true Villain often sends their AA and especially KK here, they probably do the same with their fd's, which I think they have more in their range than solver here due to over 3b-calling said suited connectors, which should theoretically just call our turn bet I think.
I wouldn't be too worried about JXs bc to me it looks more like a mergy EQ realization jam with either fd's or overpairs, and there's only 1 combo of JTs left.
If the Villain's 3bet is like 7, then the preflop 4bet is the mistake, and then I would fold turn if I misclick 4bet preflop.
But yeah, interesting hand due to how different approaches we could take due to MDA, pool reads, Villain specific reads etc, thanks for sharing OP!
4betting hands like KTs, 88-TT, AQo, A5s etc here as 'bluffs' at some frequency is pretty important imo, because if we don't, any decent villain can see on their HUD after some history that we don't 4bet enough. If that is the case, they can start exploiting by 3betting mega wide (and merged if we still call a lot) against us. Also the EV of our premiums goes down if our 4bet range is super tight, bc then their otherwise marginal/indifferent 3b-calls become easy pure folds. In other words, we get stacks more often with our premiums if our 4bet range is more than just premiums.