nl2 turn shove
Unknown villain, valuebetting as much as possible, facing turn shove I am usually behind, but getting pot odds 2,79:1 (26,4%). If he has some bluffs (I believe he has) can it be call?
Or do you want to play smaller pot with just TP? Thanks
[converted_hand][hand_history]iPoker - €0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3
BB: €0.96 (48 bb)
UTG: €0.91 (45.5 bb)
Hero (MP): €2.00 (100 bb)
CO: €0.70 (35 bb)
BTN: €1.92 (96 bb)
SB: €2.02 (101 bb)
SB posts €0.01, BB posts €0.02
Pre Flop: (pot: €0.03) Hero has Q♣ A♥
UTG calls €0.02, Hero raises to €0.08, CO calls €0.08, BTN calls €0.08, fold, BB calls €0.06, UTG calls €0.06
Flop: (€0.41, 5 players) Q♥ T♥ 5♠
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets €0.28, fold, BTN calls €0.28, 2 folds
Turn: (€0.97, 2 players) 7♣
Hero bets €0.48, BTN raises to €1.56, Hero calls €1.08
River: (€4.09, 2 players) 8♣
Results: €4.09 pot (€0.27 rake)
Final Board: Q♥ T♥ 5♠ 7♣ 8♣
Hero mucks Q♣ A♥: (One Pair, Queens)
(Pre 46%, Flop 7%, Turn 0%)
BTN shows 5♥ 5♣: (Three of a Kind, Fives)
(Pre 54%, Flop 93%, Turn 100%)
BTN wins €3.82
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7 Replies
Ah isn't good to have but I think this is still ok to call, probably close to breakeven vs 2nl population.
Multiway pot, out of position: play conservative, lot of checks and small bets. This is because having more players in the pot makes it more likely somebody has a very good hand, you can't play top pair top kicker like if it was the nuts.
5-way pot with 2 players having position on you: play very conservative, I would check flop with my entire range and see what develops.
You bet flop into 4 people and bet turn again, and still BTN goes all-in: do you really think they are bluffing? Google for "Baluga theorem", quite old but still relevant.
I'd probably be looking to bet flop small but your bet is probably fine, multiway I default to half pot. Turn has to be a check oop I think. As the other posters mentioned baluga theorem is still relevant at most stakes, I'd fold. You have the Ah in your hand and this is a lot of 2p+, mostly sets.
Thanks for your inputs guys, it does make sense. Also noticed at nl2 in general players are usually passive, unless there is some exception (visible in stats).
Most of the time it is texas foldem and waiting for correct spot with strong hand.
I think a pretty decent approach to MW in general against fish and non-fish, especially OOP, is to keep flop sizings smallish/checkish, and turn sizings between smallish-mediumish. Then OTR we can make decisions about playing for stacks or not. I do think there is some merit in linear sizing up iso raise approach as well, but then be ready to give up a lot against LP 3bets and openlimp-raises.
Betting the flop here is fine due to how fishy the table looks - lots of half stacks in the pot. The huge preflop VPIP mistakes these are making will negate the equity drop we get from being multiway, and they likely make bigger mistakes postflop - over calling weak hands and never punishing your cbets with bluffs. Be aware though that with this larger sizing can end up overplaying your hand vs anyone half competent
As boulgakov mentioned, baluga theorum still holds up well today. Turn RR/shoves mostly have 1 pair beat, especially multiway.
There will be exceptions - If the guy is say 50vpip+ and aggro, with the pot being so large and the game being 2nl, you will occasionally see some QJ spew.
