Rules question: Opponent Challenges the Process after he lost at Showdown

I’m not sure I understand what the “rules question” is here.
You are describing a hand in which the dealer did everything correctly and the floor correctly ruled that he did everything correctly.

But you are the asking about a hypothetical situation in which the dealer does something wrong and the floor is asked to rule on it after the board runs out? This would really depend on what was done wrong and if it can be reconstructed.

It may be true that a player might only point out a procedural error if it works in his favor. But this is just why you should always be paying attention. It’s not really a rules question, and it doesn’t mean that correctible errors shouldn’t be corrected.

This makes sense.

I actually didn't know the correct procedure at the time. Playing at the WSOP got me really paying attention to the details of rules and procedures that I took for granted before (because at most places I was playing at, there were players at the table that would help make sure things were running smoothly along with dealers that were pretty experienced).

Thanks everyone for their feed backs.

By the way, is there a go to resource for the rules I would need to know that would be of the most importance?

If you really want to prevent the problem you're most worried about, just stop running it twice.

There’s no strategic vacuum without the info that one person noticed and the other didn’t. If he did notice and only spoke up when he realized he lost, it’s a gigantic strategic advantage.

I wouldn't consider that advantage to be strategic, but procedural. That's I this entire thread is here instead of in a strategy sub-forum.

If one player knows he must table his hand to be able to win at showdown and the other does not, the first player is always going to win, but that doesn't really have anything to do with poker strategy.

Because it's still concerning that someone is allowed to freeroll like that. Dude waited until he saw he lost THEN brought up the issue. His concerns should be completely invalid under these circumstances. If he had a problem with how it was dealt address that beforehand.

If the dealers are as bad as you insinuate probably better off regardless.

I agree with you, but some people believe in the letter of the law over the integrity of the game.

Do WSOP cash games really have that many fish? You should be comparing the quality of players rather than the results which are gonna be heavily influenced by variance over a small sample size.

I don't have a large enough of a sample size to say, but I felt like the games there were softer, but it wasn't absurdly amazing or anything like that.

I was also staying very close by, so it was more convenient for me to play there at the WSOP based on my location.

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If a person notices a procedure was not followed and asks to have proper procedure followed, that is hardly a free roll imo. Everyone at table should be asking for that. If the error can be corrected it should.

Think about it from the opponent’s point of view. He (supposedly, we still don’t know if there actually was a dealer error) notices the dealer incorrectly burned or missed a burn. He doesn’t speak up right away as he has a very strong hand (a flush). Before his opponent reveals his hand, he decides that if his opponent reveals a weaker hand, he will keep his mouth shut. If his opponent reveals a stronger hand, he will ask for the board to be reran.

His ability to do that is what makes it a freeroll.

Fully understand why it is perceived by some as freeroll. But it is only a freeroll if everyone else misses it. But correcting an error such that best hand on correct board wins should be everyone’s goal.

This is a weird hill to die on.

Yes best hand should win. But angleshoots should not. You cannot notice a problem, wait and see if you win, then ask for a new board if you don't.

Did you read my comment about this? Do you think you would be able to notice the dealer was turning over the wrong card and stop him in time before it turns over and you know if that card makes you a winner or not?

And you don't know for sure this if what happened. It could be that the guy was going to point out the problem even if he had won based on the incorrect card.

I did and I do agree with you. The floor should ask the dealer (and possibly the players) what happened and how quickly it happened.

The OP did not make it seem like it was a bang bang situation, but rather that the player waited until both boards ran out, read them both, then lodged a complaint. Of course the OP is also somewhat biased in the matter, but since we’re not making an actual ruling in the room we can just roll with his viewpoint if we want.

I’ll also mention that I was replying to Fore, who is not saying the player acted as quickly as he could, but is instead saying that we should attempt to get the right board in place even if the player waited to see if he won before complaining. I do not agree with that at all.

Well that's the problem with a true angle. A angle is within the rules. So it would get to the specific rules.

I don't "want" the angler to be able to wait. But we don't know how fast this happened because we don't even know what OP says the other player thinks was wrong. That seems to be getting close to the old telephone game.

Also, not to be "mean", but I don't hold much value for what OP initially posted here. Based on this and other recent threads he started, the pattern seems to be critical details are missing.

I did not say the player did not did not act quickly as I don't have a clue in this case. But if it is an angle, that means it was using a technicality of the rules but is within the rules.

Also, OP seems to imply (I am not sure) that the error perceived was that the boards werre dealt in series (correctly) BUT other player thought they should be dealt in parallel like a bomb pot. If a dealer really did try to deal two boards in parallel, I would expect half the tabled would speak up long before the rivers were dealt. Unless the dealer was real quick.

I hate to reward anle shooters (and I have no idea if the other play was in this case, I tend to doubt it) but this pot and this hand needs to go by the rules. Then if floor believes it was a angle shot, send the player home for X depending on history.

This is IMO why every player at the table should immediately speak up when things go wrong and some one in trying to angle shoot. We should work to protect the victim before the angle is successful.

Have you ever seen a pot awarded to someone because his opponent tried to (or did) pull an angle. Not sure I ever have; if at all, it's extremely rare.

Unless the next hand has already started, I would expect an error like what was claimed would be fixed regardless of when villain pointed it out.