2028 ELECTION THREAD
Brother, you actively spoke out against the "alphabet mafia"
I didn't bring them up, you did.
I too only think about gay people and trans people when they are brought up in this forum, usually in some form of "I don't dislike the gays/trans, but I sure wish they would go away"
You can just ignore them, you know. You don't have to talk about the alphabet mafia at all and people wont make assumptions based on the things you say
But when you attribute the current president to the dems going all in on the "alphabet mafia" and urge the dems to not do that again, you are distinctly messaging something.
Because the dems didn't go all in on the "alphabet mafia". They left trans people completely out to dry during this last election while Trump made it a key point of his campaign.
So we should drop the “alphabet mafia” because that is somehow mutually exclusive with economic issues? Nah, we’re good.Let’s call out woke bullshit and stop canceling people, I’m on board with that. Let’s make sure we always make it clear that cops are heroes and deserve our respect. Let’s support our troops and love the flag.I’m not going to sell out gay rights because latino
If youre talking to me, no we shouldnt give up on the alphabet club or w/e its called - trans people need more care. You also dont need to suck the dicks of the police because you maneuver away from messaging that you want to defund them which the overwhelming majority dont want. There is middle ground there.
But youre not an idiot. You should be capable to know, that ideology aside, defund the police isnt a vote getter, niether is telling folks than boomers caused the mess that we are in (even if its true!)
There is a difference between wanting to win an election and what you fools are doing. But like you said, youre not going to sell out on certian things (which arent even the issue on why you lost) in order to what again? Have Trump? There are too many problems being made to address in a couple pposts.
But we are going to disagree anyway. So carry on.
I mean, check....do you honestly in good faith think that you have to sell out gays in order to garner the support of relgious latinos?
You really cant Mcgyver you way out of that one?
If youre talking to me, no we shouldnt give up on the alphabet club or w/e its called - trans people need more care. You also dont need to suck the dicks of the police because you maneuver away from messaging that you want to defund them which the overwhelming majority dont want. There is middle ground there. But youre not an idiot. You should be capable to know, that ideol
lol so basically your thesis is that there is a hyper-specific set of positions that need to be affirmed or else we’ll lose, and you just so happened to be so epistemically privileged that you know all of them. must be nice.
I mean, check....do you honestly in good faith think that you have to sell out gays in order to garner the support of relgious latinos?
You really cant Mcgyver you way out of that one?
The post I was responding to said some things that seemed to imply that was part of the problem, yes. And you came in with a tirade about how the dems have lost their way. Maybe we’ve both misjudged each others’ positions or something but I’m not implying the Democrats will win with more CRT and Queer Theory, if that’s what you think.
I mean, check....do you honestly in good faith think that you have to sell out gays in order to garner the support of relgious latinos?
You really cant Mcgyver you way out of that one?
formula do you realize the NORMAL way for the big tent to work was to have widely different platforms pushed in widely different areas?
like you go full LGBT where it polls well and never mention it where it doesn't? how can you deny this is how you win majorities?
you Americans are obsessed with presidential elections and always, systematically, forget congress and all other races which are won in a SPECIFIC PLACE where you should campaign on what people IN THAT PLACE care about (technically, you should campaign on what the median voter in that place cares about).
Its always funny when the old conservative white guys who don't like the gays give advice that amounts to dont support the gays
I wonder how yall came to the conclusion that the "alphabet mafia" was the single largest issue in the country
because it was among undecided in purple states in the "blue wall", those that gave the presidency to TRUMP.
and those people are the only ones that matter in a 50-50 elections , the rest is already going to vote blue or red literally regardless of what you campaign about.
maybe one day you will realize that 90-95% of people who intend to vote already vote for a tribe no matter what which is why *they don't matter at all* and you should focus entirely only on those you can convince
People forget that 3 of the last 4 democrat presidential candidates were once openly against gay marriage.
I'm not saying we should back to that, but I am saying that the party has overcorrected and gotten lost in the process. Again, it's not even about the support itself, it's about how the people who don't fall in line are treated when they object to some of the more controversial aspects of what "support" for the queerfolk means.
"My wife isn't cool with men invading the women's bathrooms" gets met with, "What, you want us all to DIE!?" as a retort.
The blue politicians are afraid of angering those people and it shows up in all the speeches. Just stop that. They'll vote for you anyway.
I wish Obama could run against Trump in 2028, but alas, Barack has already had his two terms.
Oh, Gorgo. Sweet, innocent, Gorgo.
The thinly veiled joke was that DJT is the only politician to which the rules don't seem to apply, and now you've ruined it by making me explain it to you.
Cool joke bro
People forget that 3 of the last 4 democrat presidential candidates were once openly against gay marriage. I'm not saying we should back to that, but I am saying that the party has overcorrected and gotten lost in the process. Again, it's not even about the support itself, it's about how the people who don't fall in line are treated when they object to some of the more contro
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I watched supercut this morning of every single prominent democrat for the last 30 years giving speeches in their official capacity as congressional leaders, POTUS, etc, about what a threat illegal immigration and open borders are, and what they're going to do about it.
The oldest one was Bill Clinton, and half of the clips were Obama as president.
Crazy how quickly things change, but crazier how quickly people sweep recent history under the rug. The catalyst for the complete change in attitude was clearly Trump claiming he'd build a wall and make Mexico pay for it. That was the exact moment that dems forgot all about the prior 20 years and suddenly became Facebook friends with every illegal.
Well, on e of the only guarantees in life is that things change. As a former poker player who lived during the boom you should understand that clearly.
But it’s kind of nonsense to pretend people are way off their rockers about immigration now. Biden deported more immigrants than trump. Very few people were calling Biden immigration policy cruel. In fact the propaganda was “open”.
People just don’t want ICE agents patrolling their city like a gang of thugs who don’t follow any rules
"We want you to fix the thing, but not in a way that is actually effective" is pretty standard for political takes.
I'd be able to solve the reckless driving problem in my neighborhood, too, but many pearls would be clutched in the process.
I don’t think we agree with the base premise that there was something that needed to be fixed and there is certainly debate to be had about how effective ice raids are and what the actual desired effects and outcomes really are
Arrests are way up, but deportations as a percentage are down compared to Obama or Biden.
The reasons are simple: Trump's ICE is gathering up people who are already in the system with stagnant/neglected cases and thus have red tape to overcome.
Biden and Obama were primarily deporting people who had recently crossed the open border. Crossings are down more than 90% compared to those administrations, so Trump is out of low-hanging fruit to pump his numbers.
If he expects to fulfil his promise of millions of deportations, but he can't just artificially inflate those numbers by letting people in and then immediately "deporting" them back across the border, the only place to find them are the interior, and that means crawling the streets.
On one hand, I'm not super comfortable with deporting people who have been here for 20 years, have built a life and behaved themselves, just because some past administration parked their immigration application in the "don't ask, don't tell" pile. On the other, if we grant blanket amnesty to people who are here without explicit permission just because it took us a long time to catch up to them, it sets a terrible precedent for the future.
In short:
I'd also like to see employers heavily punished for knowingly hiring illegal aliens. That's a very important part of this equation which isn't getting enough attention. I'll acknowledge that some of those employers are in a tough spot, but you knew the rules when you signed on to start whatever business you're struggling to staff.
It doesn't set a terrible precedent because these people largely followed the rules and now the rug is being pulled out from under them. You just grandfather them. Its incredibly simple and straight forward
Arbitrarily kidnapping people who were here legally 6 months ago, but now maybe possibly aren't but kinda really still are because its just EOs dictating all this, just to hit arbitrary made up numbers based off fear mongering made up statistics is ****ing ******ed
The most important part of all of this that is completely lost in all these discussion is what even is the broad impact of immigration?
I've poured through extensive data and statistics and its almost universally beneficial.
Inso0, if you were presented with data showing that illegal immigration benefits our economy in 20 ways but is a detriment in 2 would you still be hard pressed that ICE arrest these people for existing?
Well, on e of the only guarantees in life is that things change. As a former poker player who lived during the boom you should understand that clearly.But it’s kind of nonsense to pretend people are way off their rockers about immigration now. Biden deported more immigrants than trump. Very few people were calling Biden immigration policy cruel. In fact the propaganda was “ope
Biden stepped up deportations *at the border * closer to the election because the issue was polling so bad he had a choice between auto losing the elections or having a shot by trying to be a normal president wrt the border.
but the narrative was "open" because he actually allowed in millions of illegals and temporarily "legalized" them with TPS and immigration parole. that's millions of completely unfiltered people that were allowed to enter and were not deported as an executive choice while NOT being on a path for legal residence. an horrific limbo. that was the "open" part, no other president in American history ever did anything like that on that scale.
it wasn't propaganda, it was objective numbers: no president ever had allowed millions of people to come telling them not to worry about deportations like that.
deportations from inside the country were almost nil during Biden term though.
now trump can't deport at the border because he fixed the border and people aren't entering anymore. they know they would be treated with absolute brutality and no mercy and so they don't come (that's why developing a history of lack of mercy and brutality is essential and good).
so the easy peasy deportations can't happen.
he is deporting a bit from inside the country and you guys are going crazy about that happening because every 10000 deported illegals you find one story you can spin of some illegal who found the cure for cancer and some other who grandfathered 7 American soldiers and so on.
that's your job as the opposition I get it, to find the most emotional possible way to spin everything with the most ruthless bad faith imaginable, I get it.
but rational people don't give a **** about those anecdotes and anyway trump has 3.5 years and a recently massively increased budget at his disposal to deport them.
now he has to deliver at scale fast though
Deportations were consistent throughout his term
Once again you front load your long post with nonsense and I can't bring myself to read the rest that might actually make a good point
Well, on e of the only guarantees in life is that things change. As a former poker player who lived during the boom you should understand that clearly.But it’s kind of nonsense to pretend people are way off their rockers about immigration now. Biden deported more immigrants than trump. Very few people were calling Biden immigration policy cruel. In fact the propaganda was “ope
"We want you to fix the thing, but not in a way that is actually effective" is pretty standard for political takes.
I'd be able to solve the reckless driving problem in my neighborhood, too, but many pearls would be clutched in the process.
Where did he say “we want you to fix thing, but not in a way that is actually effective” you bad faith moron? He said what Trump is doing is ineffective and people don’t want their cities occupied by ICE and the military raiding random Home Depots and taking grandmas out of their homes who have been here for 40 years.
Jesus can you take the conservative dick out of your mouth for 10 seconds?
