How to honestly assess our win-rate? What about rake, rakeback, promos, expenses, etc?
Hello
bb/100 - I realize this is the primary metric most people look at, but I want to dig a bit deeper. Let's assume you have a sufficiently large sample in all cases
Should we factor in rakeback?
Do we care about pre-rake winrate, especially in high-rake environments (e.g. micros) ?
It is easy to imagine scenarios where a player is only modestly beating a game, say 2BB/100 before rakeback, but excluding rake they are like a 15B/100+ winner. Does that mean they are crushing the pool? Not sure the best way to think about this
For live players, do you care more about hourly earnings? You can estimate hands played but it'll vary a lot
What about time rake? Relatedly, should promos count as part of winrate?
What about things like food expenses/tips, do you try to remove all that for a true winrate?
TYVM in advance to anyone who cares to add their 2 cents
edit: after posting i realized this may not be the best subforum for this. oops
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I would only look on your pre-rakeback EV bb/100. Rakeback should be viewed as bonus and the rake paid is the cost of playing, so your winrate without rake is of no interest. I was mass-tabling Micros (up to NL25) til 2-3 years ago. Back then good winrates would have been imo:
NL2: 10bb/100 or more
Nl5: around 8-10bb/100
NL10: 6-8bb/100
NL25: 5-6bb/100
No ideas how it's nowadays.
I would view your winrate to just be the bb/100. Your hourly however should include all forms of income (rb/leaderboards/bbj/promos/etc.). You could also think of your winrate as "x.xx bb/100 + y.yy bb/100", but I would sort of keep it separate.
