2-5-10 (playing like 1-2) AKo preflop in SB vs. raise+call
As title says, this is a 2-5 game but mostly playing like 1-2 due to over half the table looking more like an aquarium
Mohegan, Sat. afternoon ... at this point there are 4 tables of 2-5 running with one must move (not this). One bad player has already left because he didn't want to be near much worse players??
V1: Never seen before. Seems rich enough to play and as bad as any 1-2 player with a 60% VPIP you've seen anywhere. Sat next to V2 and they've been playing a _lot_ of hands together.
V2: Super reg. and bad. Has a bunch of live things he does which might be good, can bluff air esp. on boards that are bad for the PFR. Seem him just call AQ/TT multiple times in spots where most people would 3bet pre. Straddling UTG every hand today, has even blind called raises of his straddles (and then donk bet low boards, and won).
V3: Std. short stack bad 1-2 player, limp/folds and generally passive unless he has it.
V4: Seems to be competent, might have seen him before but not played much if at all. Hard to tell how good he is because he stands out so much vs. the rest for folding pre. or raising. Almost certainly played with V2 before, he had one hand where he called down IP on turn+river in a bad A high board where V2 hit a gutter with T7s on the river to win (there was a raise to 30 pre. over V2's straddle).
V5: Never seen before. Seems as bad as V1, probably without the money. At one point V2 and V5 chopped a hand after calling pre+flop and raising turn on "Kc4c3 2" when they both had A5o and the PFR had AcKx and folded turn.
H: Mostly card dead, maybe been bluffed one hand vs. V1 when I folded A high and he showed a 3 (which is "air") and laughed in my face. Only hand I won I called KhQh pre. in the SB (V2 was in the BB and I figured it'd be a good spot to call instead of 3bet) from another competent player's open to 15, and then called down turn+river vs. 99c on AKc5c82c. Wouldn't be shocked if V2 and V4 both have me pegged as tight old guy at this point.
Meme insert: "I ain't reading all that. I'm happy for u tho. Or sorry that happened."
On to the hand:
H: SB 2 (741 behind 😉
V1: BB 5 (around 1k)
V2: UTG: Straddle 10 (around 1k)
V3: UTG+1: Limps (maybe 300)
V4: HJ: Raises to 60 (over 1k)
V5: CO: Calls fairly quickly.
BTN folds
H: SB sees AKo and ...
Note is that raises have been going up, the couple of competent players were doing 15 or 20 pre. without a straddle and 30 with a straddle, but given those have been autocalled sizing up to 20-25 without a straddle has happened a few times now. Which is to say I don't read much into the 60 open, apart from the fact it means there's 147 in the pot already.
tl;dr If you even think about saying call, it's almost guaranteed that BB and straddle call so it's going 5 ways to the flop.
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I'm all-in here. Think you can get V4 to fold some better hands for the big jam and V5 might call with worse. V5 isn't folding a pair but not a bad spot to flip with so much dead money.
This post makes me regret going to Foxwoods yesterday.
All in
I mean, you CAN raise to $200 here, and that’s more than 3x without reaching the commitment threshold, but save that egghead shit for when you’ve got TT or AJs or something.
Just jam, man.
I would make it 500 so that they have another street to make a big mistake. Shoving all flops of course.
Just shove, enough dead money already.
There's ~140 of dead money and H has 741. Shoving seems a tad excessive. Especially with your stated older nit image. Might get a call from V4 and their 6x over straddle + limp. Might get a fold tho. Despite being egghead $#t (i love it), raise to 240-250.
Thought 240 for the "raiser could fold this," perception. 250 looks less calculated though. H would like to induce a lightish shove from 88-JJ, and at worst, H does want at least one caller.
I just want more in the pot than <20% of the stack when H sticks it in.
You could make it like 240 and shove most flops you miss. You might get some pps to fold. There are sometimes advantages to being OOP and acting first.
I’m betting $300 or enough to put the short stack all-in and pressure the rest. Mason & David have written that pushing all-in with AKo is +EV but I don’t think that’s necessary here.
I think you probably want everyone to fold and take the dead money, but it sounds like someone will call in this game. At least it’s likely it won’t be 5 to the flop.
It’s hard to know how you will proceed from here until the others react, but it should become more clear what you’re up against.
The threat of shoving the flop is real for villain and you’re not totally pot committed if you decide you’re beat.
That HH is hard to read, but this looks like a no brainer shove to max out fold equity. I would go $200 with like AA/KK/QQ.
H would like to induce a lightish shove from 88-JJ, and at worst, H does want at least one caller.
We'd much rather those hands fold.
There are a couple of outliers, but a def. majority consensus so I figure I might as well share results.
Spoiler
At the time I don't think I thought about it much, roughly went:
Well I'm not folding...
and I'm not calling...
and raising to 180-240 doesn't feel like a good time if I get called.
So I shipped it fairly quickly.
Folds quickly to V4/HJ who tanks for 30s-90s and at one point said something like "I'm sure I'm supposed to call this" but eventually folded
then V5 snap folded
Within the next minute or so V4/V5 talked a bit about it and V5 said he folded TT (I assume V4 has AK/QQ/JJ but AFAIK he didn't say).
After the hand I wondered more about if I should be shoving 150bb in as a 3bet, where AQs is probably never calling, so wrote it down to post. Esp. as I've had a history of shoving AK into AA/KK at 1-2.
But even as I was finishing typing it out I was thinking "nah, it's fine" ... always good to make sure it's not results based.
The raise to 500 and shove 25% pot on all flops is interesting, but I think I'd rather do that with a bunch of history, or maybe with just QQ+ or never 😉
Personally I think the raise to 180-240 can only be good if you have enough bluffs that AK is value pre. and on lots of flops. Probably still better to just ship it and take the money.
