CO vs BTN. Triple barrell. Would you give up at any point in the hand or check flop?
Vs a reg I might check flop. Vs fish i still cbet a lot. I cbet way too much OOP and i know its something ill have to change as i move up, but fish seem to play so poorly vs 1/3 cbets that ive continued overdoing it. Would you give up at any point in this hand? I considered checking river because this player is possibly a station but i only had a few hands with him at the time. I don't think i had 24 hands with him as shown in the hand history, i think it was only 2 or 3 but he had open limped before already.
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NL Holdem 0.1(BB)
HERO (100BBs) [VPIP: 21.3% | PFR: 18.1% | AGG: 38.8% | Flop Agg: 46.3% | Turn Agg: 38% | River Agg: 31.5% | 3Bet: 8.8% | 4Bet: 10.4% | Hands: 86089]
BTN (97.7BBs) [VPIP: 100% | PFR: 58.3% | AGG: 37.1% | Flop Agg: 30.8% | Turn Agg: 62.5% | River Agg: 80% | 3Bet: 33.3% | 4Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 66.7% | Hands: 24]
SB (100BBs) [VPIP: 8.7% | PFR: 4.3% | AGG: 50% | Hands: 23]
BB (137.5BBs) [VPIP: 26.9% | PFR: 15.4% | AGG: 30% | Hands: 26]
UTG (100BBs) [VPIP: 60% | PFR: 60% | AGG: 40% | Hands: 5]
HJ (205.2BBs) [VPIP: 23.1% | PFR: 19.2% | AGG: 5.9% | Hands: 26]
Dealt to Hero: Q♣ K♦
UTG Folds, HJ Folds, HERO Raises To 2.5BBs, BTN Calls 2.5BBs, SB Folds, BB Folds
Hero SPR on Flop: [14.65 effective]
Flop (6.5BBs): 5♦ J♣ T♥
HERO Bets 2BBs (Rem. Stack: 95.5BBs), BTN Calls 2BBs (Rem. Stack: 93.2BBs)
Turn (10.5BBs): 5♦ J♣ T♥ 8♥
HERO Bets 6.7BBs (Rem. Stack: 88.8BBs), BTN Calls 6.7BBs (Rem. Stack: 86.5BBs)
River (23.9BBs): 5♦ J♣ T♥ 8♥ J♠
HERO Bets 15.3BBs (Rem. Stack: 73.5BBs), BTN Raises To 34.9BBs (Rem. Stack: 51.6BBs), HERO Folds
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I would check riv. He is playing every hand, mega donk can snap you off with 5x vs that size.
I have a hard rule to never triple barrel bluff fish and this os also one of the worse river card to bluff in general. Flop can XR....
I have a hard rule to never triple barrel bluff fish and this os also one of the worse river card to bluff in general. Flop can XR....
that is a pretty bad rule to be honest when fish is oop you will loose alot of money in the long run like this. Fish is overfolding vs b b b as long you dont go for huge sizings on flop and turn goal is to keep his range wide wich will overfold on river.
To the hand i would recommend betting bigger on flop with high eq draw you want to build the pot in case you hit your hand as played i dont like barreling on this river like the other guys already mentioned it is just very unlikley now that villain will overfold normaly river pairing is the worst to bluff the fish so just give up mostly when this happens.
This is not a river you should be betting, value or bluff. Vilain called btn vs co. If he is a total station, his range on the river will still have all of the full houses and might not even fold a T. If he is just bad (I always assume someone who calls btn vs co is), then by far the most likely hands in his range are in this order: 88, 77, 66, AJ. 77 and 66 are already out, so his weakest hand is trips.
If you want to bluff river, check raise. Just know you will bluffing a fish out of top trips, which in my book would make you a fish.
I don't see them folding much of anything on the turn, and would take an unconventional line of blocker betting this type of hand. KQ is probably behind. Why charge yourself a higher price to realize your equity.
Do not bet the river under any circumstances. Lighting money on fire.
I'd x/r personally otf.. if he x behind you realize some extra equity and have very profitable delayed c-bet on turns... If he bets into you his fold vs. your x/r isn't really changing much for the risk/reward.
I did have a very similar board run out the other day for SB vs BB SRP spot
FLOP = J T 5 r
hero in SB cbet 1/3
Turn 6 r
hero in SB cbet 150%
River J
Hero in SB jam (was like 3x pot I think)
I had 87s and villain snapped j9o. Villain was a reg and board didn't have the 8 which matters and it was also SB vs BB. Obviously not trying to get him to fold J, but just non-JX type hands.
FTR all need to be bigger, triple is around 0ev but it’s fine. Your flop and turn sizes are much bigger errors.
Preflop way too small with fish in game.
Flop way too small vs fish. At least 1/2 pot with draws/tp+. We are never betting range vs fish hence 1/3 is losing money.
Turn bet seems too small
Maybe 120%~150%
He's very inelastic on such turn. Such small sizing accomplish nothing.
River seems too big. He's not folding any pair on river after it pairs up. He's only folding random missed draws which will fold even if you bet like 1/10.
If we had a J here we are 1.5x-2x overbetting river. He's calling with Jx Tx and even some 8x here.
If we had overpairs, we still betting bigger than in game maybe 80~100% pot.
Preflop way too small with fish in game.Flop way too small vs fish. At least 1/2 pot with draws/tp+. We are never betting range vs fish hence 1/3 is losing money.Turn bet seems too smallMaybe 120%~150%He's very inelastic on such turn. Such small sizing accomplish nothing.River seems too big. He's not folding any pair on river after it pairs up. He's only folding random mis
I've been using a simplified flop strategy where in position vs fish I bet 1/3 with my whole range and I size up to 2/3 with tp+. Currently I don't use turn over bets but I use 85 percent as a larger sizing. Maybe it's time to add overbets into my strategy and utilize a more complex flop strategy? I know when I move up I will need to make some changes. This is working well in these games but I could probably get more sophisticated. Any tips for when to implement turn over bets?
