President Donald Trump

President Donald Trump

I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?

So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at

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28 April 2019 at 04:18 AM
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There is a very real possibility we have a scenario by the end of the year where:

1. Dollar is downbad
2. Interest rates are up
3. Deficit spending is up
4. Economic growth is down

Which would be an absolutely devastating state of affairs


You can’t put a price on scaring brown people with alligators though


by housenuts

Now take a look at the 50 year chart

by coordi

There is a very real possibility we have a scenario by the end of the year where:

1. Dollar is downbad
2. Interest rates are up
3. Deficit spending is up
4. Economic growth is down

Which would be an absolutely devastating state of affairs

The dollar is dropping mostly because of the expectations of rate cuts when Trump entered.

Rates go down, dxy goes down, same with the opposite. The dollar was much weaker than today during all of Obama's era because of low interest rates. Not because of the coming apocalypse. The zombies might come out, but the dxy dropping isn't abnormal.


by formula72

the dxy dropping isn't abnormal.

agreed, but most drop in 52 years is noteworthy


by housenuts

agreed, but most drop in 52 years is noteworthy

It's as noteworthy as dxy going up 10% in a short time after covid when rates shot up after years of low rates.


In the Senate’s roughly 900-page version of President Donald Trump’s multitrillion-dollar tax bill, gamblers would only be able to deduct 90% of their losses when calculating their net income. Under current law, a bettor can deduct the entirety of their losses, up until the amount of their gambling winnings.

i'm sure everyone here is cool with 10% additional rake...

lol, you ****ing magats are so ****ing stupid....


by chillrob

I'm looking forward to a detailed response, but please note that I didn't say anything about the role or responsibilities of the government. I didn't say anything at all about feeding anyone, or even mention food. But I do believe that Christians shouldn't want to vote for those who personally behave in ways that would be anathema to Jesus, including in their votes for policy

Hi chillrob.

I owe you an apology.

I should not have used the term "misrepresented" to describe some of your points. I should have said "misunderstood."

You are a good-faith poster, so I apologize for mischaracterizing your post.

I will answer your original post in more detail later, as i just got home from teaching chess.


by #Thinman

i'm sure everyone here is cool with 10% additional rake...

lol, you ****ing magats are so ****ing stupid....

If that's your take on it, then yes you're ******ed.

Having to pay $100,000 tax instead of $0 tax is > 10%

ducy?


by formula72

Now take a look at the 50 year chart

The dollar is dropping mostly because of the expectations of rate cuts when Trump entered.

Rates go down, dxy goes down, same with the opposite.
The dollar was much weaker than today during all of Obama's era because of low interest rates. Not because of the coming apocalypse. The zombies might come out, but the dxy dropping isn't abnormal.

that is the problem isnt it ?
many starting to believe that if the fed cuts rates , 10+ years bonds might actually go up.


by housenuts

If that's your take on it, then yes you're ******ed.

Having to pay $100,000 tax instead of $0 tax is > 10%

ducy?

lol, holy **** you are an idiot


by Land O Lakes

The first thing you need to realize is that Christians "help" disadvantaged people for self-serving reasons. Stick $100 bill into the church offering in front of other parishioners? Yes. Give a buck to a random homeless person they encounter on the street when walking along? Nope. That homeless person needs to find the Lord and take control of their life, and he or she is just

Typical strawman.

And lies, to boot.

I won't engage such stupidity.


by whatthejish

Lollllll, ****ing wow. I had a very religious upbringing and this is the kind of stuff that always stuck in my craw. It’s definitive guiding principles, except when it isn’t. The line between literal and metaphorical interpretation is always one of convenience.Seriously. I don’t understand how a “true believer” could see any wiggle room on this. The Bible teaches that the PEOPL

So, I take it you believe that there should not be a separation of Church and State.


by weeeez

I thought you didn't care what people thought about you

Sort of. I don't care what people in this Forum think of me, that's for sure.

Also why anyone is answering you seriously, when you stated you are here only to troll and don't want to discuss politics (in a politics forum).

Why do you folks like to lie so much. I never said I'm "only here to troll." Obviously we're discussing politics right now, aren't we?

Perhaps the main reason I discuss politics far less is because almost half my "serious" posts are addressing liars like you.

You are ridiculous.

Pretty sure all banned 2+2 accounts are going straight to hell.

Good to hear that you at least believe in Hell.


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by coordi

Vietnam doesn't pay the tariffs. US Companies pay the tariffs and pass the cost onto the customer.

All tariff revenue is essentially a tax on US citizens

I don't even mind additional taxes but they are just lying to everyone blatantly over and over.

i was wondering about this - i think what he means is the vietnamese soe pays the tariff - but it's just a lateral move as they'll increase the price to offset this


by 57 On Red

Jesus distinguishes fairly firmly between 'Caesar' (the government) and 'God'. He doesn't think the government is or should be God, as some moderns are inclined to imagine.

This is very well said.

The Old Covenant was a theocracy, the New Covenant is not.

That's the danger of so-called Christian Nationalism.


by Montrealcorp

that is the problem isnt it ?
many starting to believe that if the fed cuts rates , 10+ years bonds might actually go up.

Of course they will go up, but what's your point?

DXY moves on the expectations of rate changes, like bonds and stocks do. If rates were expected to get cut, and do get cut, dxy doesn't tank a lot more. It priced in those expectations, as its doing now.

I mean, I literally have a lot of money in BND and TLT on the assumption that you are correct. Although it hasn't really been an issue. The problems with lowering rates that causes the bond market to rise is that you are effectively running out of options to quarterback the market out of a recession - which i also think is verly likely.


by weeeez

I don't think he tried to exterminate a religion...

Hitler wanted to kill all the Jews, which is a de facto destruction of Judaism.


by geezerchess

This is very well said.

The Old Covenant was a theocracy, the New Covenant is not.

That's the danger of so-called Christian Nationalism.

Please stick to the Religion, God and Theology sub


by formula72

Of course they will go up, but what's your point?

DXY moves on the expectations of rate changes, like bonds and stocks do. If rates were expected to get cut, and do get cut, dxy doesn't tank a lot more. It priced in those expectations, as its doing now.

if long rates go up, dxy wont go down even tho its what they should wish for by cutting rates aka 1980-86?


by chillrob

I'm looking forward to a detailed response, but please note that I didn't say anything about the role or responsibilities of the government. I didn't say anything at all about feeding anyone, or even mention food.

I 100% agree with the bolded.

There is a lot to be said for Christians not engaging the political arena.

For example, Quakers and many Seventh-Day Adventists have stayed out of politics.

And until the 1960's or so, many Fundamentalist Baptists were strong believers in the Separation of Church and State. (Of course, some still do hold to that belief.)


by housenuts

Please stick to the Religion, God and Theology sub

Appreciate the input, but that's a decision for the moderators.

And the discussion is about politics vis-a-vis Christianity.


by formula72

Now take a look at the 50 year chart

The dollar is dropping mostly because of the expectations of rate cuts when Trump entered.

Rates go down, dxy goes down, same with the opposite. The dollar was much weaker than today during all of Obama's era because of low interest rates. Not because of the coming apocalypse. The zombies might come out, but the dxy dropping isn't abnormal.

Yes, but rates are up and dxy is down. And if cpi comes in hot before Powell is replaced rates will go up more. And dxy will likely tank more


by coordi

Yes, but rates are up and dxy is down. And if cpi comes in hot before Powell is replaced rates will go up more. And dxy will likely tank more

Sure, if cpi comes in higher than expected, dxy will drop and bonds will go up

But rates are up and dxy is also "relatively high" just like bonds have slowly began to come up. and rates have began to come down

If i had to argue against myself. Id say "why is dxy dropping while bonds aren't equally shooting up" when both are tied to rates? And i think it comes down to the long term duration bonds that dxy is kind of exempt from + 5 other factors that I really don't want to segue the trump thread on.


by chillrob

Do you think Trump and his policies better represent Christian values than the opposition?

I used to think so. Now I'm not so sure.

Personally I don't base my support of any policy on how it aligns with Christian values, but I know the Bible and how it portrays Jesus. It seems to me that the current Republican policies are either completely opposed to those Jesus and his early disciples would have supported, or at best neutral / unknown with regard to that.

The things the Republicans seem to support or oppose mostly for religious reasons are mostly not mentioned in the Bible. The Bible says nothing about abortion being wrong. It mentions nothing about trans people.

The OT does seem to prohibit at least male homosexuality, but it even more clearly prohibits things like eating pork and shellfish, to which no Christians of any political persuasion ever adheres.

In the OT, there are three categories of Laws: Moral, Ceremonial and Judicial.

Moral Laws (like the Ten Commandments) apply to all people.

The Ceremonial (which would include dietary laws) and Judicial Laws were specifically for the Jews and never applied to anyone else.

Jesus Himself and other NT writers stress that distinction.

The values shown by Jesus in the NT nearly completely oppose the current Republican agenda. Passages in both testaments command people to be helpful and kind to immigrants, and say very bad things about those who do not support them.

Being kind to strangers and foreigners is commanded. While all people should be treated like everyone else in the sense that we are all created in the image of God, that wouldn't necessarily entail aiding and abetting folks illegally entering a country. That would be a matter for the government.

Jesus tells his disciples that they should sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and he generally seems to espouse socialist values.

It would be socialist if the government was forcing folks to do that. Giving is to come from a cheerful heart, not legal compulsion.

He says the poor are blessed and that rich people will not get into heaven.

Jesus never said rich people will not get into Heaven. He did say one can't get into Heaven if the riches are more important than trusting and obeying Christ.

He says to love your enemies and that if you are physically attacked you should not fight back.

He doesn't say never fight back. In fact, he commanded his disciples to take swords with them (for self defense).

The personal character and actions of Donald Trump were condemned. Jesus said you should not get divorced and remarried. He says you should be meek and humble, not loud and arrogant.

That's for sure!

With more time I could easily come up with more examples. I just don't see how anyone who wants to be like Jesus could support Republicans, and especially Trump.

That's a legit point.

I might be completely apolitical in the near future.

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