TP + fd vs fish. 3 bet flop or call down or fold?
Not that interesting of a hand, but i tanked trying to decide wether to call or 3bet the flop. The hand before this villain called down my triple barrell bluff with 3rd pair, which indicated passive station, so i kind of expected this to be pretty strong. Decided it was too much equity on the flop and i couldn't go wrong by jamming.
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NL Holdem 0.1(BB)
HERO (167.2BBs) [VPIP: 21.3% | PFR: 18.1% | AGG: 38.8% | Flop Agg: 46.3% | Turn Agg: 38% | River Agg: 31.5% | 3Bet: 8.8% | 4Bet: 10.5% | Hands: 86056]
BTN (6BBs) [VPIP: 35.7% | PFR: 21.4% | AGG: 10% | Flop Agg: 0% | Turn Agg: 0% | River Agg: 100% | 3Bet: 0% | 4Bet: 50% | Cold Call: 28.6% | Hands: 14]
SB (121BBs) [VPIP: 100% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 16.7% | Flop Agg: 50% | Turn Agg: 0% | River Agg: 0% | 3Bet: 0% | 4Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 100% | Hands: 2]
BB (87.5BBs) [VPIP: 14.3% | PFR: 7.1% | AGG: 33.3% | Flop Agg: 33.3% | Turn Agg: 0% | River Agg: 0% | 3Bet: 0% | 4Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 14.3% | Hands: 14]
UTG (100BBs) [VPIP: 50% | PFR: 35.7% | AGG: 30% | Hands: 14]
HJ (111.9BBs) [VPIP: 14.3% | PFR: 14.3% | AGG: 50% | Hands: 14]
Dealt to Hero: K♦ J♦
UTG Folds, HJ Folds, HERO Raises To 2.5BBs, BTN Calls 2.5BBs, SB Calls 2BBs, BB Calls 1.5BBs
Hero SPR on Flop: [0.35 effective]
Flop (10BBs): J♠ 4♦ 6♦
SB Checks, BB Checks, HERO Bets 4.8BBs (Rem. Stack: 159.9BBs), BTN Folds, SB Raises To 23.9BBs (Rem. Stack: 94.6BBs), BB Folds, HERO Raises To 164.7BBs (allin), SB Calls 94.6BBs (allin)
Turn (293.2BBs): J♠ 4♦ 6♦ 5♦
River (293.2BBs): J♠ 4♦ 6♦ 5♦ 9♠
10 Replies
It's probably not wrong with 120bb, but once stacks get deeper say 200bb, getting it in is probably bad.
V range is sets, st8fd, naked fd.
If villain has a naked fd he's not calling a 3bet unless he has the nut fd.
We own all his combo draws though, if we are up against sets we are like 4 to 1 dog.
If he's a passive fish, he only has value, meaning all the sets, and/or some random 2pairs like 46. If he's a fish that overvalues hand like tp, he can do this with random Jx, but this type is rare nowadays.
It's probably not wrong with 120bb, but once stacks get deeper say 200bb, getting it in is probably bad.
V range is sets, st8fd, naked fd.
If villain has a naked fd he's not calling a 3bet unless he has the nut fd.
We own all his combo draws though, if we are up against sets we are like 4 to 1 dog.
I think the hand previously he called down with A7o (3rd pair). When I bet 1/3 flop, 2/3 turn, and 2/3 river. Turn and river were a queen and Jack I think. I know it's hard to gauge how aggressively a fish is gonna play but I definitely accounted for some spazz factor when thinking of his range.
Shove on the flop w/ your stack size looks good. There's really not a better raise size, and it looks more bluffy to GIAI. If you had some info, I don't mind a call IP and turn shove as well. But don't hate your play here.
Think you missed the post right above yours.
Looks wp, would call OTF only if I though he can BS spazz bluffs and will fold vs jam (87o or complete air).
Where is the benefit here of raising vs calling? i see much worser szenarios when shoving then when calling here.
By shoving we just isolate ourself vs his nutted part and fold out potential spews for sure fish can go crazy here and xr some random stuff.
If he has a hand like QJ QT and is overplaying hard then yes would probably be better but if he is the type to xr flop with that hand then it is the type of fish who is not realy folding when the flush gets there so the only bad szenario would be if the turn brings exactly the A or K wich does not compansate the ev that we loose incase that he has a big spew.
Also we keep his weaker flushdraws in that he could fold vs all in like T9s etc wich would be terrible so yea realy dont see how jam is outperforming the call.
Also we keep his weaker flushdraws in that he could fold vs all in like T9s etc wich would be terrible so yea realy dont see how jam is outperforming the call.
Imho its close to 0% he fold those once he uses this sizing
you got raised 3way after a bet small enough for a draw to just call. Vilain is representing a set. Looks to me like you just didn't want to have to make another decision this hand and went all in... I haven't done the math, but this deep, I assume vilain would need to have a lot of non made hand to not make this the equivalent of burning chips.
you got raised 3way after a bet small enough for a draw to just call. Vilain is representing a set. Looks to me like you just didn't want to have to make another decision this hand and went all in... I haven't done the math, but this deep, I assume vilain would need to have a lot of non made hand to not make this the equivalent of burning chips.
You're probably right Morty, I wasn't sure what to do. And I did expect a strong range here. But my read on villain that there was a significant spazz factor was good. He had JTol
