President Donald Trump
I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?
So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at
portland oregon spent 200k per homeless person the last several years - and murder rates have quadrupled
1) it's capitalism fault
2) they need more money urgently , that will fix it
I especially like how the article cites experts saying that the lack of permanent housing is a problem, and all the people jumping to cite the article in their arguments are strongly agreeing that such housing is a bad idea.
Ah, 2025 and social media. Nobody reads, but everybody writes. It is a beautiful mixture.
I am anti low quality immigration not anti immigration btw.for sure I am against allowing residence permits to immigrants that can qualify for public housing (!!!!!). I am not as against public housing as you might think. I don't think it's a good option for the normal reasons why I don't think government acting on stuff the private market does better is, but as far as socialis
We disagree.
One of the things about growing up in london, that i used to point out, was that you could go to any of the richest areas and you were a stones through from a lot of council housing. It's part of what made london such a great place.
I mean, that is the only reading where your post could make sense. Anything else, and it is just a collection of sentences with no rhyme nor reason.So, you can't be mad at the justice system for letting him off lightly, you can't be mad at the authorities for initially failing to deport him...... but you can lash out at random people on a forum for hours on end, for opinions
amazing you're doubling down here, fwiw this is a big leak in your posting game as you're otherwise solid but occasionally go full mongidig and why i (and i assume others as well) never take you seriously despite that you generally post good and insightful posts
please cite where i was mad at either of those imagined scenarios you've posted about me being mad for
We disagree.
One of the things about growing up in london, that i used to point out, was that you could go to any of the richest areas and you were a stones through from a lot of council housing. It's part of what made london such a great place.
If that was the general trend, rather than the exception, that is rather special. Typically such housing gets put in parts of cities where people have little political oomph. Which also tends to make it more difficult to resolve issues that come with such housing, creating a nasty feedback loop.
But to be fair, he's thoroughly ravaged with CTE, he shouldn't have had control over his money for years.
omg it's like you're advocating for personal responsibility or something wildly insane like that
The Cosby Method. Nice.
Everyone knows everyone else reads their ignored posts. That's half the reason one posts, to get mad and know they're mad at you.
not doing away with prisonbut it's a widely held belief, one i'm sure many upset at him being sent to south sudan would also hold, that prison should not be about punishment & removal from society but instead for rehabilitation onlygermany is a good example of where that became the norm, here's a german prison cell
Oh so all you’re saying is that most people prefer to see rehabilitation over punitive punishment?
I mean yeah but I don’t think that’s opposing prison sentences simplicator. And I think if we didn’t set those things as a dichotomy or filled out the details more people would probably give different responses.
Like many people would be against the German prison cell.
amazing you're doubling down here, fwiw this is a big leak in your posting game as you're otherwise solid but occasionally go full mongidig and why i (and i assume others as well) never take you seriously despite that you generally post good and insightful posts
please cite where i was mad at either of those imagined scenarios you've posted about me being mad for
damn does this guy love appealing to his own authority to rank other posters and then tell them all how bad or good they are
idk about the merits of sending to south sudan, but the fact remains his own country refused to take him so he had to be sent somewherehe also had served his sentence, we weren't emptying the prisons at all as you accuse us of doingso what, he should just remain in prisons for the rest of his life? we should turn one of the florida keys into a place to for the stateless crimin
In this paradigm Honduras would be justified in dropping their el Salvadoran murderers right onto us soil.
Like, I dunno why you think we’d just do this and all the world would just accept it
This is what Trump pretends foreign countries are doing to us already
When I was looking into a bunch of immigration and deportation related stuff about 20 years ago, I recall reading that some prisoners had been locked up in ICE custody for years, sometimes decades because their countries refused to take them back. I recall Cambodia being one of the countries. I guess the new paradigm is just to ship them out to a random country, then.
In this paradigm Honduras would be justified in dropping their el Salvadoran murderers right onto us soil.
Like, I dunno why you think we’d just do this and all the world would just accept it
"justification" isn't really the topic, it's more about doing what you can do.
the "world" isn't at play here. specific failed countries are.
Honduras should execute the murderers, but if they decide not to, they can try sending them to the USA and then see what happens to them when they do.
now south Sudan instead isn't particularly threatening to the USA nor I think it would care too much if some random murderers get sent there. they won't last much anyway.
When I was looking into a bunch of immigration and deportation related stuff about 20 years ago, I recall reading that some prisoners had been locked up in ICE custody for years, sometimes decades because their countries refused to take them back. I recall Cambodia being one of the countries. I guess the new paradigm is just to ship them out to a random country, then.
and if the legality of this is upheld, it looks like a very good improvement over the previous insanity
Vietnam but it looks like he got his citizenship removed which is why Vietnam refuses to take him back
Yeah I think Vietnam and Cambodia were the main two that wouldn't take people back from what I recall reading. Could be misremembering though. ICE had no idea what to do with them 20 years ago, either. There was either a Supreme or appellate court case I read that challenged their continued detention.
"justification" isn't really the topic, it's more about doing what you can do.the "world" isn't at play here. specific failed countries are.Honduras should execute the murderers, but if they decide not to, they can try sending them to the USA and then see what happens to them when they do.now south Sudan instead isn't particularly threatening to the USA nor I think it would car
Nah I prefer sending them all to Italy. Specifically to your house.
Oh so all you’re saying is that most people prefer to see rehabilitation over punitive punishment?
I mean yeah but I don’t think that’s opposing prison sentences simplicator. And I think if we didn’t set those things as a dichotomy or filled out the details more people would probably give different responses.
Like many people would be against the German prison cell.
to be clear, i was responding to luc who seemed confused as to why anyone would be opposed to punitive actions taken towards illegals as they are deported
i simply said that a lot of the people advocating against him being sent to south sudan probably were against punitive prison sentences as well so he could better understand the mindset of those he was debating with
Yeah I think Vietnam and Cambodia were the main two that wouldn't take people back from what I recall reading. Could be misremembering though. ICE had no idea what to do with them 20 years ago, either. There was either a Supreme or appellate court case I read that challenged their continued detention.
I think more recently the two main culprits were Venezuela and Cuba. afaik the USA made a deal with Mexico to send them there though (because Mexico admitted they came in mostly from there)
to be clear, i was responding to luc who seemed confused as to why anyone would be opposed to punitive actions taken towards illegals as they are deported
i simply said that a lot of the people advocating against him being sent to south sudan probably were against punitive prison sentences as well so he could better understand the mindset of those he was debating with
Does not compute. I can be for prison sentences for violent criminals and against forcibly sending people to random war zones once they've served their sentence. These are different things.
In this paradigm Honduras would be justified in dropping their el Salvadoran murderers right onto us soil.
Like, I dunno why you think we’d just do this and all the world would just accept it
This is what Trump pretends foreign countries are doing to us already
like i said idk the details of us sending him to south sudan - if we're just dropping them off without prior agreement then that would indeed be wrong, i would hope he was sent there because they agreed to take him and would be heavily against us just randomly sending people places - not just because of reciprocity with their own stateless criminals but also that the standard playbook would be to simply send them back as we play ex-con hot potato - it wouldn't work unless we found someone willing to actually take him
Does not compute. I can be for prison sentences for violent criminals and against forcibly sending people to random war zones once they've served their sentence. These are different things.
yes it can be different.
nevertheless, it's quite absurd to claim that it's better to keep them than to send them to failed countries.
would it be even better to have a deal with one specific country to take them all for cash? possibly, although in that case we would start getting coverage about how poorly they live in that country and yadda yadda.
the best solution would be death penalty for violent crimes committed by immigrants, all problems solved.
If that was the general trend, rather than the exception, that is rather special. Typically such housing gets put in parts of cities where people have little political oomph. Which also tends to make it more difficult to resolve issues that come with such housing, creating a nasty feedback loop.
It was just the norm in the uk
We had a great government in 1945. Unfortunately Labour gave up after thacher.
