President Donald Trump

So you guys will just invent political opposition to yell at and put words in people's mouths for days on end in a symphony of social media-fed outrage...

... but you can't be bothered to even raise your voice at the authorities which did such a poor job of trying to deport him that they bought him extra time in the country and perhaps even increased the risk of him escaping them.

If nothing else, it shows the danger of listening to partisan hot takes.

and to be clear, i'm on board with that

bussing them out is not a solution, but nobody is doing anything, so may as well just pass the nuclear football so it's someone else's problem

mind you, if i were in charge of this city i'd focus on 3 things

1 - fixing the homeless situation

2 - building public transport (one of the wealthiest metro centers in the world has no functional system other than a bus line that runs like every 20 min with very few routes - from all my decades abroad and without vehicles i love public transport and every time i want to go anywhere i check that option and if it's like a 20 minute drive it'll take 1 hour and 15 minutes to go by the bus - a bus line which is commonly referred to as "the fentanyl bus"

i don't know a single person who takes the bus if they can afford a car because it's considered unsafe - and the city agrees, they just installed protective barriers for the drivers after one was murdered by a homeless passenger earlier in the year

3 - fixing road infrastructure - there's a ton of major issues here - only place in the world where you literally have an onramp sharing the same space with an off ramp so you have cars competing for the same space where some are trying to accelerate to 60 and others slow down to 20

here's an example right here

this where i90 meets i5 is horrendous - google maps doesn't give it justice

but basically instead of merging cleanly, they just put a halt to traffic and literally have stop lights in the middle of the highway

i've driven cross country many times and driven in nearly all big cities in america - this is the only place where two major thoroughfares just slam together without any plan at all - it's a complete mess

not sure what you mean or if we are discussing the same case.

we are talking the vietnamite murderer right? he is in Djibouti currently. in a military base waiting for litigation afaik.

now he might have been moved after SCOTUS decision on Monday but I didn't see updates in the news on that.

authorities acted in a stellar way. they apprehended him immediately after he was released from prison and put his sorry ass on a plane very quickly.

I'm comfortable with us totally disagreeing.

My problem is with labour governments not tackling these issues with urgency.

why do you think it's moral to put immigrants in public housing while British people don't have access? and don't answer to me that public housing should accomodate both. that's not the reality on the ground.

even if you plan to build one million or five million new public housing units, how on earth is it acceptable to give the existing ones to immigrants when there are British people in need?

not to mention that immigrants who need public housing shouldn't be in the country to begin with obviously

portland oregon spent 200k per homeless person the last several years - and murder rates have quadrupled

https://www.propublica.org/article/portl...

America randomly throwing murderers into other countries for our own benefit because their home country won’t take them back is not in America’s interest, because unlike you the world is not full of complete psychos that think if a country is weak you can do whatever you want to them.

America’s best interests is to be viewed as a moral beacon to the world and not as a disgusting monster that shits all over other countries because we’re the top dogs right now.

Sure we shouldn’t let people take advantage of us and I’m not going to prostrate myself for forgiveness for America’s moral errors, but that doesn’t mean I am committed to supporting this insane proposal.

I’m not sure if the inequality is the problem. I think if you have two societies and all you know is one is more equal than the other, you won’t actually know which society you’d prefer to live in.

Maybe there is a threshold but presumably if all the regulations are set up properly than what will cause someone to get rich is if they are offering a product/service/etc people want in an efficient way.

I know that in many communist countries it ends up being that they have to reintroduce market mechanics and wealth accumulation because these end up being good motivators towards efficiency and centralization and equality of outcome tends to be a bad motivator. So in China you have communist billionaires. So it goes.

Sounds more like in their poorly executed rush, they accidentally stumbled on way to keep him safely locked up.

Other than that, rewriting the rulebook badly, being caught doing it and thus failing what you initially set out to do is hardly "stellar" in any sound understanding of the word. You're just being duped by people making a career out of shielding "their guys" from criticism.

Acting tough is a lot easier than being efficient.

Much more public houseing among other things is urgently and vitally needed. It was the right who got rid of it starting with thatcher and I blame the left for not adressing it (yet - he adds hopefully)

I dont have any great politcal interest in discussing the ways of rearranging the obvious dire consequences of avoidable and fixable **** ups. It's a way of the being not quite as bad as the right while avoiding doing anything much about it - this itslef is a huge part of the problem.

Not in the UK, really. Housing costs are high practically everywhere here and take up much more of the average income than is normal in Western Europe.

this so much

even if the political will was 100% there, even under the most rosey conditions, it would take a long time to build millions of public housing units.

real resources can't be willed into existence by political fiat, you don't have the people to build more than a few hundred thousands units per year even with a drastic upheaval of current conditions.

so you simply cannot handwave away current scarcity and the extreme importance of how to allocate it.

you just want to avoid admitting how morally atrocious it is to house immigrants in public housing while British people don't all have access to the same welfare

Antonio Brown filed today. He made over $100m

omg it's like you're advocating for personal responsibility or something wildly insane like that

I mean, the mail in question had a reasonable tone. It is pretty clear that the people quoting it does not actually listen to it. However, it also from 2020, so one has to wonder if the tone would be the same today.

However, it is still a horrible idea to treat people who want to build palatial survival bunkers as voices of reason on the economical future of society.

If serious plans and work were underway to tackle the problem then sure I would be very happy to discuss the sticking plasters needed while the solutions are being rolled out. Until then it's just an excuse to do pretty much **** all.

It wont be fixed opvernight. It took many decades of doing pretty much **** all to get this bad. Some of us idiots have been pointing it out for decades and the mainsteam is finally beginning to catch up.

not doing away with prison

but it's a widely held belief, one i'm sure many upset at him being sent to south sudan would also hold, that prison should not be about punishment & removal from society but instead for rehabilitation only

germany is a good example of where that became the norm, here's a german prison cell

and if immigration had been in smaller quantities, existing housing would be enough anyway.

and until housing is fixed, it's comically insane to keep increasing the population with immigration

Unsuprisingly we strongly disagree on immigration as well

Whereas I think the left is beginning to win the housing argument. i think youre getting to chalk up anti-immgration as a (hopefully short lived) victory

Unless we are talking about two different cases, his prison sentence is over?

If you want him to be punished harder, it would seem obvious that your beef should be with the US justice system and sentencing guidelines.

lol thanks for reminding me why i got you on ignore

lol, this is an embarrassingly bad attempt at reading comprehension - nowhere did i say anything of the sort

try to keep up

I mean, that is the only reading where your post could make sense. Anything else, and it is just a collection of sentences with no rhyme nor reason.

So, you can't be mad at the justice system for letting him off lightly, you can't be mad at the authorities for initially failing to deport him...

... but you can lash out at random people on a forum for hours on end, for opinions you yourself make up. Presumably because someone somewhere told you to be angry at such imaginary people.

I am anti low quality immigration not anti immigration btw.

for sure I am against allowing residence permits to immigrants that can qualify for public housing (!!!!!).

I am not as against public housing as you might think.

I don't think it's a good option for the normal reasons why I don't think government acting on stuff the private market does better is, but as far as socialist policies go public housing is far from being among the worst ones.

but given housing is a market where gvmnt intervenes massively even in purported capitalist countries, within that framework public housing existing isn't terrible.

it's still atrocious because of the usual problems:

1) gvmnt is truly terrible at managing assets, public housing rots and decays everywhere
2) public housing access creates *massive* poverty traps OR massive injustices. whatever thresholds you put, people near the threshold are ****ed OR if you allow people who have the access to stay even if they go over threshold, then you have a massive injustice vs people a little over threshold who don't have access (this is *unsolvable* for any threshold).
3) putting the poors all in the same place isn't usually a smart recipe for urban success
4) it's quite absurd to have public housing in expensive cities (where the left usually claims it's needed the most). the poors should live where costs are lower because ... they are poor. if public housing becomes a subsidy to owners of businesses that employ low skilled people in expensive area that's a perversion of the whole system