President Donald Trump
I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?
So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at
Carry specific ID or risk getting roughed up - just a suggestion.
Get a shot or you can’t work for fed government - greatest injustice in all human history.
yes it's a new paradigm. the new paradigm may very much suck. may as well do what you can to minimize the chances of that paradigm sucking too much.that was the point, and that was the suggestion luciom made and for some reason people got up in arms about it.and yes, as a foreigner i very well could get wrapped up in it. unlikely because i'm white and speak english, but who kno
You keep picture of your IDs on your phone?
I can’t imagine any bank or airport or even a bar would take that.
Sure, but this post misses the point as well. To take an extreme hypothetical, if the U.S. government were shooting people unless they could prove they were registered to vote, I of course would incur the minimal inconvenience of carrying a digital copy of my voter registration card on my phone. It's a lot better than getting shot. But the mere fact that carrying a copy of m
it doesn't miss the point.
if you knew you were going to get shot if you couldn't produce id, you would be a complete fool to go anywhere without id.
you can complain about the system all you want. it might be appalling, horrific, and criminal. but if you're walking around without id you're an idiot.
You keep picture of your IDs on your phone?
I can’t imagine any bank or airport or even a bar would take that.
bars do. banks don't. haven't tried the airport, but i doubt they would.
liquor stores do. medical clinic does. stores that give local discounts do. the police even did when i was stopped for speeding.
CO has an app that stores your ID and is official use
it doesn't miss the point.
if you knew you were going to get shot if you couldn't produce id, you would be a complete fool to go anywhere without id.
you can complain about the system all you want. it might be appalling, horrific, and criminal. but if you're walking around without id you're an idiot.
We aren't discussing the best way to avoid getting kneed in the balls by ice we are discussing why what ice is doing is appalling horrific and criminal
We aren't discussing the best way to avoid getting kneed in the balls by ice we are discussing why what ice is doing is appalling horrific and criminal
there's a few more posts but didn't feel like multi-quoting everything. people got up in arms about the suggestion of carrying ID to better your chances vs the ice gestapo. it's a pretty reasonable suggestion imo.
Remember when i asked what you needed to get a passport? carry that if you don't speak english with an accent that people would automatically attribute to the USA, and/or know you can be profiled by ICE (for ex you are a minority citizen working among a lot of minority illegals)
If you look foreign, carry your documents at all times so you don't get rounded up and deported. Oh my, how very libertarian of you!
So you don't get rounded up and have to prove citizenship from a cell. Life sometimes is uncomfortable, notice how i didn't ask for any mandate to carry those documents, i am just telling how to avoid trouble with basically 0 effort.I ofc always carried a copy of my passport and visa or visa waiver when required (later photos on cellphone when those became available) with me ev
Yes, which is why I'm not talking about you or people like you because you didn't have the qualifier I mentioned in my previous post. I'm talking about practical voters.
"Practical voters", lol. Impractical voters' votes still count.
I don't remember when you first mentioned this qualifier, I don't think it was initially, but it doesn't much matter as I am responding to the very common cliche "a vote for [any non-Dem nominee] or a non-vote is a vote for Trump". Nobody else I've ever seen adds any goddamn qualifier to that statement, they just blurt it out to the approval of other basic Democrats.
If you limit it to only committed Dem partisans and squint a bit, it kinda makes sense. Congrats on having a unique take on the cliche, I guess.
Although I really feel for whatever random Dem was waiting until election day to vote; all excited to play a part in handing Trump a huge L, and then... they get sick, have a family emergency, the Republicans **** around with voting lines or whatever, etc. and wind up unable to vote. They're gonna feel like **** when they are informed they voted for Trump!
You might need a second qualifier for these people, unless you think the above renders these voters too impractical to count and therefore fit under the first qualifier (which, again, is completely unique to you.)
You are aware a judge previously ordered the return of deportees yeah? There is an actual due process, regardless....
Not always, no. Since 1996 Congress has authorised 'expedited removal' (summary deportation) without a court hearing for any illegal entrant who has been present in the US for less than two years and is detained within 100 miles of the border. The government has apparently broken the two-year-and-100-miles rules in some recent cases.
One the one hand:--
"Detainees are entitled to notice and opportunity to be heard appropriate to the nature of the case," the Supreme Court unanimously stated last month in a per curiam (unsigned) opinion.
The specifics, however, remain contested. Legal scholars say the type of "notice" and "hearing" historically afforded depends on an immigrant's status and circumstance, such as whether they had been lawfully admitted to the country in the first place, have deep ties to the community, or are seeking asylum.
On the other:--
Immigrants who are afforded a hearing before an administrative law judge typically do not enjoy the same procedural guarantees as they might receive in state or federal court.
"[A]n alien in civil removal proceedings is not entitled to the same bundle of constitutional rights afforded defendants in criminal proceedings," explained Circuit Judge Lawrence Van Dyke in a 2021 decision by the Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit. "Various protections that apply in the context of a criminal trial do not apply in a deportation hearing."
The constitutional right to counsel, for example, does not apply to civil removal proceedings. The standards of evidence are much more lax, and most final rulings by immigration judges cannot be reviewed in federal court.
The US government website says:--
After a noncitizen is detained, they may go before a judge in immigration court during the deportation (removal) process. In some cases, a noncitizen is subject to expedited removal without being able to attend a hearing in immigration court. Expedited removal may happen when a noncitizen:
Comes to the U.S. without proper travel documents
Uses forged travel documents
Does not comply with their visa or other entry document requirements
Do you think the 2M+ people Biden deported (mostly after apprehending them close to the border) each got a judge to review their cases? and again i am talking actual trespassers.
Do you think that in the USA police cannot forcibly remove trespassers from private property until a trial has happened?
Border apprehensions are treated differently as a matter of law from deportations of residents, either at legal points of entry or non-legal points of entry. Thus the “due process” is lower. They received due process, it’s just not as much as it takes to deport someone working at home depot.
Like it or not, once you’re “in” you have special status over being at the border.
None of those posts, or the posters, are saying that they wouldn’t carry the ID. They’re saying you shouldn’t have to.
there's a few more posts but didn't feel like multi-quoting everything. people got up in arms about the suggestion of carrying ID to better your chances vs the ice gestapo. it's a pretty reasonable suggestion imo.
Yeah, there is a rejection of Luciom trying to frame the need to carry a passport as reasonable because the reasonable scenario already existed before
My bad, I have an ad blocker so I wouldn't know.
Well then, I could think of another reason why all the sick Nazis in here are being treated so nicely by moderation but of course I won't write it.
I mean, they keep bringing me back, and I'm no Nazi. I think it's just that moderation has been loosened up here quite a bit for everyone. A few years back, I probably would have already been perma'd.
Not always, no. Since 1996 Congress has authorised 'expedited removal' (summary deportation) without a court hearing for any illegal entrant who has been present in the US for less than two years
How is that determined without a hearing? 'Cause Billy-Bob said so?
there's a few more posts but didn't feel like multi-quoting everything. people got up in arms about the suggestion of carrying ID to better your chances vs the ice gestapo. it's a pretty reasonable suggestion imo.
For my part, I'm just pointing out that Luciom seems to drop his outrage at governmental overreach when the government is doing something he likes. A true man of principle, like most conservatives it seems.
If u get caught with no ID , are the consequences the same has in the US currently ?When I drive if I don’t have a license it’s fine , I pay a ticket shrug .man I love Canada , I can walk in Canada on the street with no ID and I’m fine …AINo. There are generally no requirements in Canada to carry ID, unless, for example you are driving and are required to carry a valid driver's
All throughout my life I have never “had” to carry ID, and the ones most opposed to it have always been the right-wing libertarians who used to hate the government. Now they happily fellate ICE agents because they love authoritarianism.
None of those posts, or the posters, are saying that they wouldn’t carry the ID. They’re saying you shouldn’t have to.
it would be preferable if we didn't have to carry id for anything. unfortunately we live in a rule-based, kyc society.
People aren’t asking about the descriptive, they’re asking about the normative.
None of those posts, or the posters, are saying that they wouldn’t carry the ID. They’re saying you shouldn’t have to.
Thank you. God, I was going crazy.
Yes, to the housenuts of the world, I'm sure it does not hurt anyone's potential outcome for someone to carry ID around in public if they have it available. We are saying it's wrong for ICE to round up anyone or harass them in any way if they are unable to show their goddamn papers while minding their own business in public (as has happened on numerous occasions.)
edit: yeah, **** it, I can't handle the 1/1000 chance they care, I can't handle that smoke, pussy confirmed
edit: yeah, **** it, I can't handle the 1/1000 chance they care, I can't handle that smoke, pussy confirmed
don't worry, i screenshot it and sent it to them for you
I'm told that if ICE or other law enforcement comes to your home and knocks on your door, if they don't have a warrant, they can only enter your home if they "get a foot in the door"; they're much like vampires, so the best course is to refuse to open the door for them and call a lawyer.
I mean, they may just break the door down and do whatever they feel, that's always in play, but legally at least, the above is the preferred move.
Expedited removal was created by the 1996 Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigration Responsibility Act (known as IRAIRA, though that doesn't strictly work), which allows CBP officers to deport people summarily on their own authority, even the same day, without reference to the courts. The two-year and 100-mile rules are subsequent amendments. In 2017, 103,704 people (just over 22% of those apprehended by DHS) were subject to expedited removal. Where ICE stands in all that, I don't know, as the US is in general a bit of a bureaucratic nightmare.
Speaking of social media...
That's a bit strong innit?
Well, the untold story is the more interesting part.
This seems to be an obvious move to make the social media of VISA-applicants available to for scraping, and use that it scrapes as basis for AI-based analysis and flagging.
Somewhat worryingly, the US government is on the verge of outsourcing alot of such analysis work to Palantir. And Palantir actually worked on the books on the stolen dataset that disgraced company Cambridge Analytica (
), a company that basically solid digital election interference across the world. Which would advice me to think that the data you would be making available could very well end up being used against your own country at some point. According to Palantir this was not done in official capacity, but I personally have absolutely zero trust these grey zone intelligence corporations.
Somewhat amusingly, the move to make these profile public will allow other entities to scrape the profile of approved VISA applicants and figure out what a good social media for passing AI analysis should looks like.
