Banana wants to peel vs wacko woman
1/3 NLHE 9 handed
We're on the road at a room I play out West sometimes. Its the softest 1/3 I've seen. 1000$ cap with hands like A8s being cold opens 30 UTG and going 5 ways. All unknowns to me, 2-3 hour sample size.
V - mentally ill indian woman. Seems to have some kind of syndrome. VPIP 90%. Always seems to have me. Ive VPIPed about 10-15% tonight. Almost every open I've made V has 3-bet. I finally called off with QTs pre after opening 50 over straddle and several limps, V AI 150 and I call she has QQ and wins. She's been involved in several hands that got to the river and her stack is yo-yoing. She stabs a TON when checked to.
HH: UTG trappy fish limps, me to 20 with AKss, V calls IP, OMC calls SB, fish calls UTG, 4 ways to 5h-4s-3h, x x x V bets 100 into 80 leaving 150 back, OMC folds, fish calls, I fold, Turn 5h-4s-3h-8c, fish x, V AI, fish calls, V has 88 and rivers a boat.
--- H covers, V has 290, LPIM has 200 ---
V straddles 10 UTG, loose passive indian man (LPIM) limps HJ, H to 40 on BTN with K♠ T♣, V and LPIM call, 3-ways IP.
Flop 120 - A♠ K♣ T♠
V checks, LPIM checks, H bets 40, V x/r to 250 AI, LPIM folds...
...this is the first check-raise I've seen her make tonight.
Fold pre and try to be less offensive in your posts. You come across as a complete dochebag
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I'm not folding at this SPR. Villain started with 29 bb's considering the straddle. And she cc'd eliminating AA/KK/most AK from range. I'm guessing you ran it into QJ?
To the other posters, is folding KTo on the button @ 29 bb deep vs 1 limp really correct? I don't play much live but I plan too soon. I would raise this over limpers in the games I play.
Given villain description I'd be pretty fine stacking off, she can easily overplay worse or just rip a flush draw.
She straddled, might interpret Hero bet as weak, etc.
I don't understand what the point of this HH is. In what world do you have any real decision to make here? Looks like some kind of racist creative writing exercise to me. Reminds me of a James Acaster bit where a coworker's stories always start with stuff like 'So I see this chinese guy..." and he's internally just thinking "man, I really hope that ends up being relevant later on".
I think you played it fine up until this point, and I would fold to the flop raise. She has every combo of QJ and you block a lot of the most likely bluff combos with the Ks. Even a fishy overplay like AT has you crushed. You have a million better hands to continue with, including QJ and all of the sets.
FWIW I find the idiom of this post (and banana's other posts) to be entertaining and reasonable, but def understand the sentiment that racial/mental health-based reads in poker HHs can be unnecessary at best and often offensive at worst.
Snap call and if you run into a straight, it happens. Can’t imagine how you could ever consider folding as the previous comment suggested
Snap call and if you run into a straight, it happens. Can’t imagine how you could ever consider folding as the previous comment suggested
The read is that "Almost every open I've made V has 3-bet" ... so we raise her UTG straddle and a limp with KTo?
Like I'm fine with raising that hand sometimes on the BTN, due to blockers and because it's okay HU IP as the PFR but trash multiway as a limp. But maybe sometime never when running like god V has straddled and previously 3bet me a lot.
So the straight is the only thing we are worried about? If we got here with AcTc I can kind of understand this thought process, although it's still not great, and maybe it's my PLO background but bottom two on this board is pretty far from the nuts.
Taking a wild stab at a wide range, if this is close it's not a terrible call ... but if the x/r shove is more normal we are more like 40%.
ProPokerTools Odds Oracle Results (2.3 P...
Holdem, Generic syntax
Board - AsKcTs
PLAYER_1 KsTc
PLAYER_2 AQ,AJ,Ks*s,Qs*s,KxQx,KxJx,JxTx,QJ,AA,KK,TT
58410 trials (exhaustive)
All-in Equity
[table=head]|Equity %|Wins Hi %|Ties Hi %|Wins Hi Count|Ties Hi Count|
KsTc|48.3539%|47.7589%|1.1899%|27896|695|
AQ,AJ,Ks*s,Qs*s,KxQx...|51.6461%|51.0512%|1.1899%|29819|695|
[/table]
What's with the 1/3 pot bet on the wet board?
I would fold preflop and call the shove as played.
Too much misogynistic racial irrelevant rubbish in many of your posts; you come across as arrogant and offensive. Stick to the poker theory. Now commenting on someone's mental health or autism or whatever. If someone is drunk it's relevant. If someone is Indian ( Indian or American Indian, not even sure what you mean) it's not relevant
That's how the casinos got taken to the cleaners by Phil ivey on the edge sorting. They racially profiled a black guy and Chinese woman as dumb and superstitious and ivey and his companion used that to get the cards rotated and beat them. So this profiling isn't even helpful.
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I think this kinda proves the point. When you get called out, perhaps self reflect, rather than give a flippant response, or if you really don't understand, then ask politely.
Now that several others have called it out as well, have you taken time to self reflect? Anything about how you'd post you'd do differently?
My most generous interprutation is you don't have close friends or family who are neuro divergent or cognitively impaired, so let me educate you, on why what you said was problematic at best, offensive at worst.
If you genuninely do believe the person has a condition, then show some sympathy, and don't call them a wacko.
If you're just using the phrase to demean someone, then, simply don't, because it demeans everyone who does have a neurological condition.
As for the Indian reference, I'm half Indian, and don't take offense, but it seems uneccessary.
Firstly, I'm completely unsure of what the stereotype is of how Indian women play.
Secondly, what I am pretty sure about is that whatever the stereotype is it's not much use; do you think the 1st generation uneducated 60 year old from Bihar plays similarly to the 3rd generation 30 something MIT Mathematics Professor, simply because they are of Indian descent?
Much of the above. When you don't have any other reads, cultural hints can give you a very small nudge, but once you have as much as you had in OP, the race is irrelevant. As is mental illness unless you think you know how it is affecting their play, such as paranoia in real life might also correlate to MUBS in poker.
If you're just adding labels to denigrate people, stop it.
Too much misogynistic racial irrelevant rubbish in many of your posts; you come across as arrogant and offensive. Stick to the poker theory. Now commenting on someone's mental health or autism or whatever. If someone is drunk it's relevant. If someone is Indian ( Indian or American Indian, not even sure what you mean) it's not relevant That's how the casinos got taken to the cl
Not recognizing Phil Ivey in that line of work is evolution in action...
Banana, she might be nuts, I'll even give you the benefit of the doubt she is (though the HHs aren't selling it for me), but you have to show, not tell. Describe how and what she did that gave you whichever impression, then tie it to action on your part. E.g., spoiled kid of X ethnicity, wearing lots of flashy jewelry, bombing pots with overpot bets for no reason, probably not the guy I want to bluff for big $$. If he thinks he'll be embarrassed by folding here.
She's Indian. Great. What does that mean as far her range, responses to you, tilt likelihood, etc...? I don't care if your observations are offensive. (Though Site Ownership and moderation may differ.) I do care if they lack value for predicting her actions or informing our own.
Preflop, you could limp behind in position if you don't want to fold. I don't see the point of raising junk hands to prove you are a pro.
In general, you post a lot of hands where you get in trouble playing marginal hands, like unsuited high cards or low suited connectors.
raising pre is pretty awful.
id bet bigger on the flop because Ax isnt folding and im not getting value from much else anyway.
postflop i cant fold at this SPR.
Banana i hope for your sake you're younger than 30, you got some growing up to do. if you're older than 30, well then thats kind of embarrassing. and if you know anyone who is mentally ill, calling them a wacko is probably not a good look. its like making fun of a person with a disability. you just sound like an ass.
Thinking about it, the raise seems OK with position against the limper and the straddle. Kind of close between raising, limping behind, and folding.
And there you have it folks...
Banana - You had numerous pieces of feedback from different folks on your post including a Mod, and this is your response??? The level of immaturity and lack of self reflection is kinda stunning; talk about giving a big FU to the community who has helped you.
I am done giving you feedback on any of your hands. I suspect others will follow.
And there you have it folks...
Banana - You had numerous pieces of feedback from different folks on your post including a Mod, and this is your response The level of immaturity and lack of self reflection is kinda stunning; talk about giving a big FU to the community who has helped you.
I am done giving you feedback on any of your hands. I suspect others will follow.
goodie goodies are the thieves of virtue
Did something that was actually objectionable get edited out of OP or. Banana is stupid but the rest of you people good grief.
