A10s in a 3-bet pot OOP
1-2nlhe 400 max 7 handed. effective stacks $400-$500. This hand was played sometime ago and I can't remember all the suits and stack sizes
V 30ish white guy. Loose aggressive. has straddled a few times. CO
H TAG image if anyone is paying attention
Pre (no Straddle this hand)
One limper MP
V in CO takes it $10
H in BB with As10s makes it $45
folds to V who calls
Flop ($85 after rake) 10 8 6 r one spade i think
H $55
V snap calls
Turn ($195) Q
H $120
V snaps again
River ($435) 2c. no flushes came in. Board 10 8 6 Q 2
H checks
V bets $135
H pauses (for show) and asks for a count of a bet
H calls
How many mistakes did I make guys?
6 Replies
Flat pre might be better. Check flop might be better. Definitely check turn. River is close but maybe just a fold after we overplayed our hand on the turn
Turn is the biggest mistake IMO. I would check/call here. Villain can have QX, two pair, J9s, some traps from the flop, even JJ. There aren't a ton of worse hands than AT that are going to continue here when you bet big on flop and turn (JTs, T9s, 99). So betting is pretty thin, whereas checking allows Villain to try to bluff. If turn checks through you can go for value on the river.
River is really close for this tiny sizing. It feels like Villain should be pretty polar here which doesn't track with the small sizing. Like is he really betting something like QJ for thin value when it looks like we can have AA or KK? I don't have a problem calling here.
Edit: possible river bluffs would be KJs or AJs that float flop with bdfd bdsd, maybe AKo, maybe A9s, maybe some lower pair. All somewhat unlikely but you don't need to win that much for this price
I mostly agree with Dan.
Pre, of course call is fine and you should not be bluffing AT all the time. Balance is mostly NBD in lsnl but there are some fundamental cases. You do need some decent aces to defend post when you just call.
ATs is ok to bluff occasionally because it's a good hand that can make nuts. However, you do want to take it down pre. Assuming this is a typical high rake game, you just want to take it pre even with hands like AK. It's hard to beat v for more than 4 bigs per hand oop. Therefore make in bigger. 45 isn't really bad. 4.5 x. But just cuz of the rake I'd go 50 or even 60, depending on vs and reads.
I would probably bet the turn if checked to IP. Some hands got there but there are also a billion pair plus draws inc 77 and 99.
I don't feel betting the turn was a giant mistake. But i think our hand plays nicely as a check call. It's a good spot for v to bluff and many will bluff once and give up.
Keep in mind, this is a 3 bet pot. So from Vs point of view we might have a lot of hands like AK that will just have to fold to a bet, then some other hands like JJ or our actual hand that will strongly consider calling down.
As Dan implied with his bluff candidates for villain, most of them are going to check any pair hoping for the miracle showdown win.
I hate it. But i think call is OK. Is V really disciplined enough to bet this small with a straight to get value from 1 pair?
Maybe he is pussing out on the bluff size.
Reads and player types are always big in these spots, but against a guy who does have the ability to bluff a call can't be terrible.
I would play either the flop or turn differently, but as played river call is totally fine for the price. Villain's most likely value hands look a lot like QJ/KQ/QT exactly. JJ would also make sense.
I think most 2p+ are putting in more money somewhere.
But he could incorrectly value bet a worse tx, and find both other 1p hands and bluffs.
V says good call. He shows K9o. Other players at the table said "brave" call with just a pair of tens. H was happy that he dodged Vs outs and any other scare cards.
FWIW I did think this player was the type to bluff.
For discussion, If the turn card brings in a BDFD should H bet more often? What if H had AA or KK should he bet the river? I was afraid V might have JJ, and that checking river would give V a green light to bet big. Or would JJ check back here?
rating V's play. I really thought if V was going to bluff, on the turn would have had the most sucess. V can represent a lot, straights and two pairs. Betting on the river and its a lot harder to represent a strong hand.
I think if you hadn't bet turn you could call river for this sizing but T-8-6r is not that draw heavy for a 3-bet pot. When you barrel 2/3rds you essentially turn your hand into a bluff, but all you really bluff out is JJ. I think OTT x/call > x/raise > barrel > x/fold. Or if you barrel then just go massive, not 2/3rds.
