5/5 Facing a large 3-bet preflop
5/5
~$1000 effective
SB – pretty straightforward TAG. Not a lot of history with him, but he seems solid. No limping, raises pre with decent sizing and hands. Plays fairly standard, nothing out of line so far.
Hero(CO) T♣T♠ raises to $20, SB 3bets to $120, Hero calls
Flop($245) 8♣ 5♥ 4♥
SB bets $80, Hero calls
Turn($405) 2♦
SB checks, Hero bets $140, SB calls
River($685) 8♥
SB instantly checks, Hero(~$700 left) - ?
I’ve got a few questions about this hand:
1. Preflop
What do these large preflop sizings usually represent? And with a shallower stack (around $500), should I just fold more often?
2. Turn
I don’t see much reason to go bigger here, he can still have a bunch of overpairs.
I think betting is pretty mandatory in this spot, but does anyone ever check here instead?
3. River
At this point, I believe he’s capped. The only real hand that beats me is JJ. Most overpairs would likely go in on the turn. Even if he hits a flush, Id expect a donk lead pretty frequently.
His instant check feels weak. Can I still go for thin value here against hands like 99 or AK?
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I would check the turn and as played check the river. Don't see that much he 3!s, then checks the turn and river with that will call you and you beat.
This is pretty interesting. It's kind of a leveling war spot in some respects.
Preflop: TAG sb 3! range is probably a coin flip with H's TT. If we're calling here, I think we need to have a clear idea of what we're doing post-flop.
Flop: call of c-bet/downbet is ok.
Turn: I don't like the 140 here. We accomplish nothing.
V is Ax and AA heavy. Agree with Banana: If we're betting, I think we should make a polar bet. We can rep wheel, maybe 76s and certainly 88 in need of protection against NFD and wheel redraws.
Polar bet maybe folds him off JJ and NFD/wheel. I think x>polar bet>small bet here. I disagree that he is capped. If I had AhAx here on turn, I'm not afraid of many rivers. Just x/c and let us hang ourselves.
AP River: 8h is great card for V. H cannot rep 88 now. V has more NF. H has more wheels I think.
Jam gives V 2-1 on his call. Maybe he can level himself into folding JJ. H jam targets a very narrow range.
V can x to induce here with AhAx. After all, what can we call with if V bets?
I reluctantly x behind and take my SDV. He has some AhKx that could get to the river this way. He can also have something like A5s or A2s that turned more equity but didn't bink river. These hands cannot call our bet anyway, so I agree with Deuceblocker in this regard.
The trouble with the small turn sizing is that villain has a fairly easy call with AK/AQ/A5 type hands OTT, and you want to pressure those hands. I don't think we have to go huge here vs those hands, but 1/2-2/3rds pot makes them much more uncomfortable while still not overplaying our hand vs AA/KK that may check the turn.
Re: large preflop sizing, could mean anything from they don't like playing out of position, to they have JJ, to they have a stronger than usual hand. Have you seen them 3bet to other sizes?
I'd probably just fold preflop here readless - its a huge 3b, a lot of flops we're going to be lost on. Luckily we had a low flop here and he only bet 1/3 pot. I'd probably just check the turn - would hate to get x/jammed on. As played my default would be to check but there is some craziness in my mind that wants to bet very small to induce a jam.
I don’t really get why we’d want to pressure hands like AK, AQ or A5 OTT. If I have TT and I’m trying to get value from those hands, betting big might just make them fold.
River check seems standard. Best case is a bluff might fold out JJ.
Villain line is quite strange, so a value bet would be if we think he has a hand like 77/99.
Calling a normal 3-bet from a solid TAG in the SB when we have TT would be pretty meh.
Calling a ginormous 3-bet here is just awful, unless you believe you're good enough to actually outplay him.
