Are we always betting turn?
1/3 7 handed
Game is on the nittier side compared to usual. Rarely see a flop, either blinds chop/chop or a guy open and take it down.
Villain is first time at this place, young white guy with headphones and hoodie. Haven't seen him play much hands for the past hour or two. Assume he's tag from age/appearance.
Hero is asian guy in 30s, has been super tight. Won a decent pot from bluff catching with tpnk.
Effective stacks 290ish
V opens to 10 in EP, Mp flats, H in MP+1 with A♠Q♣ 3bets to 45. V calls.
Pot 104
Flop Q♠9♦5♣
V checks, H cbets 35, V x/c.
Pot 174
Turn 5♦
V checks, Hero??
V only has 200ish left
V range is some 66~88,tt~jj, some Qx, 9x, and some slowplayed 55/99.
We always betting turn? or balance our air/marginal range a little with a check?
We aren't afraid of much rivers.
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Preflop standard.
Flop: I like the downbet.
Turn: 5d is good card, I don't think he has a lot of 5x here given preflop action and we block logical A5s.
I prefer another small bet, maybe 60, targeting his value KQ/QJs and stuff like TT-JJ. He has some JTs and gutshots and a few BDFD, so I really don't want to give a free card. I don't think he can raise because we can have 99 and QQ.
What river do we want to see? We don't want K,8 or diamond. I can't see why he's more likely to pay us off on the river than he is to call us with his value on the turn.
When a seemingly tight player raises UTG, AQo should go into the muck when we're in MP and only 100BB deep.
3betting can be fine if they under 4bet which they definitely do.
Against nitty opponents you want to bluff catch less and value bet more so don’t go for stacks here as an exploit. Bet small/bet small.
You also don’t have to worry about getting check-raised bluffed versus nits so that means you can value bet river thinner than theory.
H is the player with the super-tight image. V is
young white guy with headphones and hoodie. Haven't seen him play much hands for the past hour or two. Assume he's tag from age/appearance.
So, I'm giving V a typical, not OMC, 7-handed UTG range, and AQo in 3rd position is an OK 3!. If anything, V should be folding or 4! most of that range at this depth, right? I certainly don't enjoy calling OOP, were I V, even at SPR 2.5 and closing the action heads up. Do we believe V is trapping pf with everything beating top pair?
AP, bet small like 35/45 again, and call. NH if they were trapping with an OP <100 bigs deep.
I like bet smallish again turn and check back river. It's a mistake against this player profile imo to go for stacks because he will only call better but definitely still can get value on turn from KQo, pair + flush draws, etc.
Grunch:
Don't assume too much about someone's play based on appearances. He may not be playing many hands because he's TAG. He may just be card-dead.
As for the hand...
PRE - I love the 4.5x 3B size from MP.
FLOP - I love the 1/3 pot c-bet in position.
TURN - if he's got trips or better, he's just going to make a lot of money. I'd be sizing WAY up here. If he's only got 200 left, I think we can just stick it in and feel good about it no matter what happens.
ETA - just read the rest of the comments.
All due respect to those other posters, a lot of rivers are going to suck, and kill the action. Low stakes players tend to get sticky with their 1P hands when the bottom card on board pairs, and more elastic with their draws.
My preference for sizing up and jamming turn is to target the inelastic portion of their range, which is the 1P hands. If we bet small to keep from folding out all his draws, those hands aren't paying us off when the river is just a brick. We're basically letting V realize his equity cheaply and giving him a good price to suck out on us when we bet small here.
Does he sometimes fold worse 1P hands when we jam? Sure. But not always He's not folding KQ, and may not fold JT, or his diamond draws, and maybe not TT or QQ. Do we sometimes get owned by 99? Yes, but rarely in a 3B pot when V doesn't x/r the flop.
Spoiler
Ok, we bet 100 in game to pot commit him. And small enough to get call by enough hands?
He folded fairly quickly and said the board wasn't good for him?????
Not sure what this means,tt-jj? tk?
Then after hand, I was thinking maybe we should check turn sometimes to balance and get called by any pair on river.
If he a marginal hand/sdv, he might call shove? He's only folding random missed draws? which might even lead out on river?
Actually, I think I check back the flop in this situation. When he calls your relatively large 3Bet that sets off alarms. I want to see if he wants to take back the initiative.
I think his range is tighter than you do, because he called that 3Bet from EP. If he checks again on the turn, I might check again as this is a good spot to pot control. With another 5 and a nitfest, thereÂ’s a lot of uncertainty for a one pair hand.
After reading you folded him with a bet, I think I would have needed to size up villain. If he’s willing to call a 3Bet with weak hands OOP he’s not much of a player. Anything other than JJ or TT is a pretty weak play
Exactly what we see at low stakes though
Many open, call a 3bet and fold later
