Legends of poker
Hey there. Mid stakes grinder (200-500) and mostly only play the LA stops.
This is all copied from my notes directly after the hand took place. So excuse typos and formatting
I played the legends and transcribed 10 hands and am looking for feedback.
There are some pure blunders and some blunders I probably oversaw.
Open to all critique and look to see how different my perspective is now (3 mo later) and outside perspectives.
400 Million guaranteed
Level 2 200/300
6 handed
43k/CO/AKo
Folds to me, I open 3bb, Button 3 bets to 3200. ( villain previously 3! Me to 3k SB vs Button and I folded A9o)
I feel like flatting but don’t want to play a guessing game post flop(?) so I 4 bet to 10k (?) too small? He jams + covers I tank fold(?)
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300/600/600
SB 33k
9c9s
Habitual limper comes in, tight guy 1500, button calls, I tank and want to iso to like 6k but feel if I’m jammed on I’m just wrecked in my head range wise and all options feel like **** so I call(?)
Flop Jc Jd 4s. (5700)
I check,
O.R. Bets 2k
button calls which feels weird
I call.
Turn Jc Jd 4s Ts (11.7k)
I check
OR 6k
button calls
I fold.
River 3x Or bets big button folds.
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This same sequence happend earlier at the 600 level with the same results
400/800
30k
CO JdJh
UTG 1600
+1 flat (this has happened a few times same villains) I cover UTG but not +1
I go to 8k too big(?)
All fold
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400/800/800
BB 35k
Jc Tc
HJ silly guy fumbles chips can’t raise makes it 1600 button calls, I call.
Flop (5600) 6c Ts 6h
Checks through?
Turn (5600) 6c Ts 6h 8h
I go 3300
Silly guy calls
Button folds
River (12.2k) 6c Ts 6h 8h 4h
I check(?)
button checks he shows Ah 8d I Win
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400/800/800 Blunder
Button 43k QhJh
MP slightly covers fairly tight 1600
I almost raised but called(?)
BB comes along
Flop (5900) Qd 8d 3s
Check
Bet 2500
I go 6600
Fold
Call
Turn( 18.1k) Qd 8d 3s 4c
Check
Check
River (18.1k) Qd 8d 3s 4c 5d
Lead 8k
I call
He shows Qc3c
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5/1k/1k
SB 25k Qh Jh
Co opens
I call(?)
BB Calls both cover
Flop (9k) Tc Ts Kh
I check
BB check
Villain bets 2k
I call(?) jam(?)
BB call
Turn (15k) 9h
I lead 2500
BB makes it 7800
O.R. Folds
I rip for 15.3k more he bearly covers
He folds I win. Obv all the Tens pay right and some of the kings also?
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6/1200/1200
CO Qd 9d 34k
MP loose passive opens 2500
I call (?) seems ok no one’s squeezing at all but?
SB calls
BB calls
Flop 4 ways (11.2k) Jh Kc 7x
Both blinds check
O.R. Bets 3500
We call(?)
BB calls
Turn 3 players (21.7k) Jh Kc 7x Tc
BB bets 3500
OR folds
I have 28k and make it 11k too big just call jam?
He snap folds I win
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1k/2k/2k
SB 39k
BB KJo
UTG+1 (guy who’s been 3 betting me) 4k
Folds to me I call (?)
Flop (11k) 4 5 7r
Check(?)
He checks
Turn (11k) 4 5 7 Kr
I check(?)
He 4k
I call(?)
River(19k) 4 5 7 K Tr
I have ~31k
I lead 8k
He tanks for a min or two then calls. We win.
He covers 2x if he jams do I call off here? Figured all his value bets turn right?
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1k/2k/2k
BB 38k QdJs
CO (covers Asian cat who showed Q3ss earlier has been splashing more, called off 15bb with 44)
He raises to 4k
I call
Flop (11k) 8s Qs 3h
I check
He bets 3k I rip 35k more.(?) he tank folds
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1.5k/3k/3k blunder
BB 55k 67o (34 left 19 go)
Folds to button opens to 7k folds to me I call(?) dumb (?)
Flop (18.5k) T 8 4r
I check, he 8k I wanna rip here cause I feel like I should have folded pre but seems like all his T pairs and lost of others may call so I flat
Turn (34.5k) T 8 4 Ar
I check and he bets 15k
Shoulda folded but I call
River (64k) T 8 4 A 2
X, X he shows QQ
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3 Replies
Can you clarify the structure of this tournament? Is it multi-day and this is day 1? Your note on hand 10 confused me a little, but also, this would give me a better understanding of stages of the tournament, as we move away from chip EV and into ICM-influenced play the deeper we get.
Hand 1, I think if you're gonna 4-bet you have to call the 5-bet. You could be folding a chop and you're getting good enough odds to take the flip. Sucks when he has AA/KK but he doesn't have to CO/BT to do this. Flatting is also fine; I don't see it as guessing so much. You can call the c-bet on most boards even if you don't flop top pair.
Hand 2 seems OK although knowing the positions of the limper and the tight guy would be useful for figuring out how often to 3-bet pre.
Hand 3, your raise is on the large side for 40BB effective, but overall I think squeeze/call is fine.
Hand 4, can probably bet the river like 1/3 pot to get value from worse and make for an easier fold if you're raised. Depending on the stage of the tournament and what you think of villain's raises, you can actually squeeze shove here preflop profitably, as nutty as that sounds.
Hand 5 I think 3-bet or call is OK. I'd 3-bet more frequently later in the tournament probably. Not sure about the flop raise, I think I'd want a higher kicker to raise for value (AQ sure, KQ maybe/sometimes). I guess it played out OK from there.
Hand 6, jamming 25BB from SB with this hand is probably the preferred play. Calling flop is probably preferable to jamming multiway, though I'm not totally sure. Turn looks good.
Hand 7 I think off this depth is probably a fold but maybe you can 3-bet bluff it. Flop is probably a fold too, facing a c-bet four ways with a non-nut gutshot and no backdoor flush draw. Turn, well, yeah, I think you gotta raise a bet that small just to get more money in the pot.
Hand 8 I think call turn / lead river is a little non-standard but I don't think it's bad.
Hand 9 is fine.
Hand 10 - what do you mean by "19 go"? Go to the money? Go to day 2 (and if so is that also the money)? If so, then I think I just fold pre as stack preservation is pretty important at this point. Once you get to the flop like this I think I like the flop call; if I jammed I'd rather something like J9 that has the overcard equity, and a double gutshot can be pretty nicely disguised. Turn is definitely too much of your stack to call; if you double up 100% of the time you hit your straight, you barely have the right odds to call, and that isn't going to happen + your stack is too valuable at this point to put so much of it in on an 8-outer.
Hand 1: I'm with nath. If I'm not going to call the jam I wouldn't 4-bet. Sizing I would make it more like 11k but 10k seems fine too. I just don't think we are going to get a fold when we 4 bet and on the flop when we miss (2/3 of the time) OOP we will cbet and then do what to a jam? So i prefer to just call the 3-bet. Villain's range will be wide and we can call a flop cbet when we miss and see what happens from there.
Hand 2: I prefer calling and set mining here. Raises over limps are typically stronger than preflop raises in general in my experience. So if we 3 bet and Villain 4-bets we are in a tough spot and will likely have to fold. Folding to turn bet is probably good. I might have folded on the flop but it is possible we are ahead.
Hand 3: My sizing would be 4x here so 6400.
Hand 4: I make this river mistake as well when a flush gets there. We should block bet about 25% pot and then we can fold to a raise. I prefer that to a check/call because we will be losing the more if they did hit a flush or straight. And also we miss out on what we would have gotten if we get called by worse
Hand 5: I never 3-bet with QJs. You just got screwed. Once you raise (which I wouldn't do) and are called I like the turn check. River call is iffy because flush got there. But its an in the moment kind of thing. Could have been a bluff. Doubt it would be a worse Qx. If you hadn't raised the flop then calling the river would be mandatory.
Hand 6: Once Villain raises after you hit your straight and lead out I wouldn't re-raise I would just call. Villain will call with boats. Villain may call with trips but might fold and trips are not that common here. Then on the river you can lead out like a 30% Pot amount looking like you want to avoid his jam. So he will likely call. You can also check if you think Villain will lead river (which I would likely do)
Hand 7: I fold to the flop bet because we are basically 10% to hit our straight and I doubt we will make 35,000 this hand if we do hit. Which happened. Also Villain can have AQ so if we hit our straight we may lose it all...
Hand 8: I think you won the max. I would check/call river but he might check it back because he might not actually have a K. The turn could have been a bluff.
Hand 9: There are no draws so he is going to fold unless he has you beat. Not sure if KQ would fold so you could have gotten him to fold a better hand. I probably would have just called and made it look like I have less than TP but he could suck out on us or check back turn and fold to a river bet.
Hand 10: Preflop I might fold with 18 bb's but I sometimes call. Flop is tough and I like it because if we hit one of our gutters it wouldn't be obvious. It is a situation where we can stop and go jam but I just don't like that. Also Villain might have 2 overcards and if we hit a pair we might be ahead. On the turn I fold so we have a decent short stack to jam preflop and we are now definitely trailing in a way that pairing up won't do us any good. So we have less than 20% chance of getting there, At best (assuming Villain would call a river jam always when we hit our straight) we break even when we hit our straight over time. But I doubt Villain is calling a river jam all of the time (here he wouldn't have). Getting knocked down to 8 blinds mostly, I don't like. I'd rather have a flip situation to double up.
Thanks guys! A few things. Yea this was a multi day tournament where 19 go to day 2 and also get paid.
Hand 1)
AKo 4bet folding is wild to a guy like me who is typically very aggro. I play backed and am in makeup( although the number doesn’t bother me) and only asked for one bullet.
( I also drive around 2 hrs to the venue stupid logic I know) and didn’t want to die right then and there
The QJ vs Q3 (check raise flop and check jam flop) and QJ vs ?
Pretty strange I check raised this hand, why do I want him to fold? And what worse Qx or any worse hand gonna pay? Just sets up RIO and traps myself vs overpairs better Qs. Same thing with the jam. I’m pretty sure I was feeling picked on maybe and wanted to assert aggression or make people stop betting into me in the future for free cards(?) looking back these both seem kinda blundered.
The Q9dd hand should be folded pre and once I make my hand I really shouldn’t be going crazy, raising/getting AI as even if I have the best hand (which could be stone dead) I am setting myself up for sad days on doubled paired rivers and Jacks etc that when called I can find myself on the freeway talking to the windshield.
The block bet to fold with JT on the T x HHH runout is very strong and something I don’t think to do as it allows us to set a price and merge a hand that may be junk when check calling in a vacuum
The very last hand I still stew over (3months later) cause really I have studied so much and have just been calling 90% from the BB when in these spots folding pre (67o) saves so much mental capacity and keeps me in the tourney. Sure we can call pre and call flop and fold turn but I run that sequence 3 orbits and I’m bleeding so I need to cut out all the offsuit gappers and stay out of hairy OOP traps.
I have done some breathing exercises and counting down to slow my snap decisions (check jamming TPMK) but still find myself playing a guessing game and it’s mostly cause of the preflop looseness and overvaluing top pair.
