pocket tens and a maniac

I'm 100% 4 betting him pre with that hand and looking to get it in. He's shown aggression and likes to attack, has been 3 betting you multiple tiimes....10's is a good hand...might get it in with worse, might fold coin flips, might call coin flips. Nothing wrong with stealing free equity with a hand that can be difficult to play optimally postflop. Probably raising enough pre so I can just shove on the flop like 95% of the time. You just calling is not terrible either you have position and a decent pair and he'll likely give you more credit the first time you play back at him, but I would much rather just 4bet there than go to a flop...easier to play that way still allows him to make mistakes. I'd rather just flat in that specific spot with aces or kings, but 10's is just weak enough to play back at him, and I'd look to be doing something similar with suited aces or connectors the first time as well. It would be a very big mistake imo to just fold, otherwise 4! is best, then calling 2nd best for me.

As played to flop, I'm calling his bet he'll probably make. If he checks to you I'm betting. Very comfortable with both. Probably not looking to check back too often with our equity. It's not a terrible mistake to check back, but just prefer the other two lines instead since checking back allows us to make mistakes and gives him a green light to attack. If he check raises it's a bit unfortunate but still interested just would reevaluate. Probably calling more often than not with 3rd pair + flush draw + straight draw vs. this player profile, but depends on sizing and feeling. To me pretty straightforward line I'm taking there up to turn and then on turn it would vary.

correction. V was on Button not BB.

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would you 4bet shove or 4bet with money behind? I remember having QJs twice when 3bet before. Would you 4! with this hand too?

Him being on button makes me feel even better about the strength of our hand preflop, and makes me strongglyyyy feel better about a 4! since we no longer have position. I would say flat calling V on button there is at that point more of a mistake rather than just "meh" like it would be with him in BB.

I would definitely not 4bet shove. I would 4bet with money behind. I'm never 4bet shoving that much...that's what fish do. But I'm looking to 4bet just enough where I have to just nearly shove post flop if that make sense lol. I do not want to 4!, have him call because my sizing made it mandatory, and then open myself up to mistakes out of position to an aggressive opponent with 10's. That's also what fish do.

Choosing to 4! with QJ suited would just depend on more variables like his sizing, position, which players are limping, etc. In that exact spot if you had QJs I'm never folding, but I think I'd prefer a flat call there over a 4!.

Yeah I think it's a 4b/fold here preflop with V potentially wide 3b on the BTN. I just don't want to play this hand oop with a capped range.

As played flop: prefer a small 1/4-1/3 psb donk. We have small flushes and QT/JJ/99 in range. We block some likely V flush combos with Tc and V's QsTs. If we x, we face certain aggression and are probably too far down in our range to call.

4bet pre is obvious, and not folding ... looks a lot like his new system is spew 3bet preflop.
I would almost certainly play 99 for stacks here too, pairs are hard to make.

Flop x is obvious, and not looking to fold, we aren't in a great spot ... but with 3.5x SPR gutter and 3rd NFD (one of the gutter outs is to the straight flush) I would rather x/shove than x/f before showdown.

I'm 4-betting to 125 vs described V and shoving favourable flops

pre: 4bet to 100/call a jam.

flop: x and look to XR vs most sizes

I think jamming 400 pre is fine against someone who has 3b us every time.

H x, V bets about 1/2 pot, H calls chasing a Qc.

Turn is a blank H x/folds.

I knew I needed to make a stand against this guy. But I think I did it all wrong.

I’m being overwhelmed by responses saying I should have 4bet. But to how much? Should I be sizing for a flop jam? Turn jam? What about scary boards? Please keep in mind that V has way more than me, which may cause him to lean towards calling thin.

Hey OP, how large is your sample of V’s 3bets? Over how many orbits? Is V 3betting other players too much too, or just you? Have you actually seen V 3betting light?

Consensus is to 4bet here obviously given the read. How confident are you in the read?

The sample size was fairly large. At this point in the night maybe 2-3 hours in. Can’t remember the hands where he 3 bet others. I only remember the two showdowns where he had a straight, and the J8s hand. I thought I had a tight image. He still 3bet me three times. I was in LP each time. His VPIP was 85% (guesstimate).

He either didn’t notice my tight play, didn’t care, or realized I could be wide from late position.

I first thought was that he was an aggro skilled player. I was afraid to go up against him. But after more thought I was questioning my original read. The reads from the other posters in this thread seem correct.

4bet to $125 - $150. Never flatting this guy w/ TT.

Would be nice to know what happened in some of the other hands, though. What were you raising with? Did you flat him every time or fold?

I folded every time. I had QJs twice, QJo, and K high. Pocket tens was the only playable hand ( against a standard player) but I don’t know what adjustments to make against this player type.

4bet to $120 and get it in pre.

As played check.

Don’t open QJo with aggro player on your left.

Don’t fold QJs when aggro player 3bets you.

Play tighter?

Play tighter?

Dangomango Im confused. Is this a question or a suggestion?

This is not something I’m used to hearing. I’m normally the tightest player at the table. I thought loosening up was the adjustment to make. Should I only be playing hands that I’m willing to gii with?

I think he's suggesting play tighter if someone is going to 3 bet you relentlessly as an adjustment. Depends a lot on position but I'd be raising QJ suited still, QJo and K whatever can be folded.

If someone is 3 betting me a lot and I have position I'm happy enough to flat a 3 bet with QJ suited.

If someone is calling with almost any 2 cards then the adjustment would be open wider.

Against an opponent like you suggested it'd make sense to open slightly less hands, and call 3 bets and 4 bet more often.

I'm absolutely 4 betting this guy. Probably to $115-$125

Against players who sit behind you and 3bet alot, the adjustment I make is play tighter.

When you have a tighter opening range, when he 3bets, you can 4bet with your whole range.

If you loosen up, you only get 3bet even more, what hands can you continue then? Whether you call the 3bet oop or 4bet with a weaker range it's kind of spewing money.

Also, starting a 4betting dynamic is a thing as well, some players only get crazy aggro when they have the initiative, once you 4bet, he might play face up.

This might not be relevant to you but last night an old guy was crazy aggro whenever he has the initiative(opening trash then cbet/barreling etc.), but I sat directly behind him, I 3betted him like 6-7 times total. He never played back once, initially he folded, eventually he started calling, but still check/fold flops. I was printing money vs him.
Note I'm like one of the tightest player at the table but I was able to 3bet him relentlessly because his opening range was super wide. If his opening range was tighter, my 3bets would've been spewing money. But because he was opening super wide, I was printing money each and every time.
He might seem like a maniac to others, but vs me, he was super passive because he doesn't have the initiative and was out of position each time.

I don't get the recommendation to call the three-bet preflop and then GII on safe flops. We're beating overcards and losing to higher pocket pairs, same as preflop. The only way this benefits us is if he folds overcards on the flop when he would have otherwise turned/rivered his six-outer.

I'm four-betting to get him to fold hands like KQ and AJ. But I'm not jamming yet. Just because he's nuts doesn't mean he doesn't have it.