1/2, 3b pot for 300bb with NFD

PRE-I'm going for a 4-bet pre here sometimes depending on player types.. oh I just reread it, you say nitreg.. ok. call I guess but I don't like getting sucked in - we have best relative position.

FLOP-I don't think I like the donk for two reasons. 1. we're going to be put on TT, 99, 8X a lot I think and if people at the game are capable of raising then we're in a spot and 2. we had the best relative position to the PFR checking 100% range. Also, you talk about folding out hands, KQ you have dominated - even KsQx. Why do you want to fold out these hands? Just realize 4-ways.

Sorry, folding out better Ax.

Theoretically, this is a reasonable preflop 4! spot, but you usually shouldn't even consider 4-betting light at 1/2.

Hero donks $50 to fold out AK/AQ/KQ type hands,

Since when do nitregs 3-bet preflop with AQ/KQ? All you did is make it more expensive to draw to your flush while allowing the Villain to fold out the fish.

FWIW, the preflop call is pretty "meh, " if not actually bad. OTOH, going for a 4-bet here would be very dependent on your read of Villain AND his read of you.

Don't get this. AQ is often not in a regs 3 bet range at this level let alone a nit ,and KQ isn't even in a regular 3 bet range.

Nits 3bet range is typically going to be AA/KK, right. Given you block AA, weighted to KK.

I think of Nit as 10/5/1 stats.

Given late position action and the fish cold calling, preflop may be a call, but it is close.

A lot of players 3! range is AA/KK at 1/2, including many loose passive players. That he is described as a nitreg does that make me sure of that. He could be playing tight, but 3-betting like JJ+/AK. By reg, is he a professional player or some retired OMC type?

You do have a strong draw. You are leading out hoping the 3-bettor folds AK and everyone else folds? Once you get raised, pushing may be the best option. However, you probably need to check and usually call, but with the option to x/r. Not great gii hoping for an even flip.

He’s a young pro looking guy who just 3b KQ in a previous orbit. So COvBTN, he easily has AJ+ esp vs a $10 open.

He’s a young pro looking guy who just 3b KQ in a previous orbit. So COvBTN, he easily has AJ+ esp vs a $10 open.

Check/call kinda caps our range right?

He’s a young pro looking guy who just 3b KQ in a previous orbit. So COvBTN, he easily has AJ+ esp vs a $10 open.

Gonna need to know what information you wanted to convey by labeling V "nitreg" ... because this now looks a lot less like what I would call nitreg, and closer to "reg who has studied at least some and understands he should 3bet wide BTN vs. CO". Like TAGreg or maybe just good reg.

preflop is technically a call in solver land HU, but I think if you are going to donk this flop it's pretty bad also note that there's still a huge difference between your AJ+ guess and solver 3bet ranges which 3bet K9s/QJs/JTs/T8s/A6s/A5s/A4s at a high frequency or pure.

I would probably call here because it's 4 way and we have amazing relative position, but I think it's close between call and fold preflop HU even for this size.

Also capping ranges is a thing, but the best way to work with that isn't to just pile money in constantly. Like you just never have AA on the flop, and I wouldn't recommend 4bet pre. to uncap your range.

So how is he a nit?

Is he going to check back high cards? This seems like a pretty good board to cbet. You have relative position. I would use it and check/reevaluate. Maybe the preflop 3-bettor will bet and get called. Then you checkraise and win a big pot if they fold. Also maybe more dead money if you gii. You also have the option to call. If you checkraise and get called, maybe shove to turn to put more pressure on, although JJ+ is probably not folding. If it is checked around, you get a free card and can maybe lead the turn.

then hes not a "nitreg"

Then wtf did you tell us he was a "nitreg"?

The flop play is leaving a lot to be desired strategically I think.

The blinds are both fish and they both cold called. So I think when you lead out with the goal of maximizing fold equity, you’ve got it backwards. If you check and BTN bets, now these fish might call again giving you great odds to call and see a turn with bad players. Or if BTN checks, again you are seeing a turn with a chance to make the nuts against 2 fish.

You seem to have tailored your play to the best opponent in the hand, not the worst. It’s likely hard to get a big edge this way.

We have $20 to call into a $100 pot, closing the action and we have the 2nd best position, with a suited ace, deep. This is a mandatory call.

This is a good point, and we are also setting up to play against the player who has position on us, not the ones we are in position against.

I would check almost everything here, overpair, set, or flush draw. Exception might be if the board is like 743, 654, something low and connected where you have (or could have) a big piece and pfr likely has one pair at best. Here, you are not likely to have flopped a very strong hand.

The problem with alleged "mandatory" calls is when the individual may not be skilled enough to play it in a +EV way post-flop.

Also, having the "2nd best position" isn't worth much when we're OOP to the pre-flop aggressor.

Moreover, how much more money will A9s lose when an A falls and someone else has a better Ax?

You might check and decide what to do based on the action, particularly the 3-bettor's bet sizing. Some GTO types might range bet smallish with everything. However, he is likely to bet larger with an overpair for protection and to build the pot. Without one, he might bet smaller, just trying to take it down, and not wanting to invest too much. So maybe call a large cbet and x/r a small one.

Deep is 5.2x SPR now? Yeh, it's "1-2 real $ deep" but it's not obvious that applies, esp. given we got 3bet.

And we're OOP against the guy who 3bet us, _and_ while we have position on the fish who cold called a 3bet they can do stuff like decide to randomly donk $50 because who knows why.

As I said, I would probably sigh call but you imply this is some amazing spot you would be insane to pass up ... but it's not that easy to make the $20 call profitable, and we have to guess a lot on 9 and A high flops if we are good. As played we've put the rest in hoping we are 45% (also not what I would describe as "essentially a flip").

It is about 46% against TT-KK. Worse against AA/99/88. We block AA and 99 and 88 is an unlikely 3!. Occasionally, he can have KsQs, 9s7s, Ts9s, and other broadway spades, which we have crushed. 66/22 are usually preflop flat calls.

As discussed, this flop can be played more profitably by check calling or check raising. Since he probably does not have a pp the majority of the time, check raising could win a big pot without showdown.

I agree that it is close between call and fold to the 3!. Against a pro at higher stakes who you know has a wide range, 4! preflop might be good and might often take it preflop or on the flop.

PRE - $10 open seems ok. Hard to fold getting the price you are. Might occasionally 4B depending on read and stack depth. I wonder if $120-$150 gets enough folds.

FLOP - why the serious f**k are we donking? What would we be repping for value? Sets? It doesn't make any sense to donk here. I'm not even sure we're folding out any better AX hands.

The donk is just terrible play. The shove is somehow worse. What if he says he only wants to run it once? Why would you want to run it twice? So you can hopefully chop and win $30 from the fish in the blinds?

You could have just check-called, or even check-raised the flop to iso the dead money if V c-bet and the blinds flat called. That would be a much more credible line if you wanted to rep sets.